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liferider

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Yeah I tried to buy the Bigdog letters and have a professional electritian take them down for the buildings new owner. The realitor thought it was a great idea but the owner shot it down
 
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BigDogBro1

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It's great that KMW is bringing back Bigdog MC to some degree. I was sorry to see that the primary to be used is one that looks like a Harley and in my opinion makes the new K9 look old. I for one was attracted to the unique Baker Drivetrain primary style design. Although the Baker Drivetrain has its faults, I liked the signature style design over the old look HD. It would be great to see a non-Harley contemporary style primary on the on the NEW Bigdog motorcycles.
 
Th3InfamousI

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BigDogBro1 said:
It's great that KMW is bringing back Bigdog MC to some degree. I was sorry to see that the primary to be used is one that looks like a Harley and in my opinion makes the new K9 look old. I for one was attracted to the unique Baker Drivetrain primary style design. Although the Baker Drivetrain has its faults, I liked the signature style design over the old look HD. It would be great to see a non-Harley contemporary style primary on the on the NEW Bigdog motorcycles.
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It's sharp, but like you mention it has its faults and limited replacement parts. With the standard Harley primary you get limitless options for clutchs and transmissions.

But I agree the baker look was nice and set BD apart from the other who were running Harley stuff. Ironhorse, BBC etc. I don't think however that propertiary anything is the way to build a brand, think back to the way Big Dog was pre 2004. When you limit the parts and options you limit your perspective buyers.

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BigDogBro1

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Th3InfamousI said:
It's sharp, but like you mention it has its faults and limited replacement parts. With the standard Harley primary you get limitless options for clutchs and transmissions.

But I agree the baker look was nice and set BD apart from the other who were running Harley stuff. Ironhorse, BBC etc. I don't think however that propertiary anything is the way to build a brand, think back to the way Big Dog was pre 2004. When you limit the parts and options you limit your perspective buyers.

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I would think the brand building is pretty stable at this point. The inner/outer primary cover style can be updated without having to make all the inner drivetrain components proprietary. I would think only the inner/outer covers and o-ring would be the proprietary items and you could buy o-ring material and make you own if needed. I just feel the old coffin hex design style is too Harleyesc and more of a me too look.

Being a little proprietary isn't such a bad thing especially when there is a plan "B" for retrofitting back to a common part.
 
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Th3InfamousI

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BigDogBro1 said:
I would think the brand building is pretty stable at this point. The inner/outer primary cover style can be updated without having to make all the inner drivetrain components proprietary. I would think only the inner/outer covers and o-ring would be the proprietary items and you could buy o-ring material and make you own if needed. I just feel the old coffin hex design style is too Harleyesc and more of a me too look.

Being a little proprietary isn't such a bad thing especially when there is a plan "B" for retrofitting back to a common part.
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Brand is stable? Have you looked at prices of Used Big Dogs recently? $10k for their premiere softail from 2007 doesn't scream they have a stable brand to me.

Harley of the same year and mileage would go for just about double that price and initial cost/MSRP was inline.

Don't get me wrong I love the Big Dog I'm just saying in 2 years since I bought mine the K9 has depreciated about $4-6k or in other words almost 1/3rd of its value. I'm not mad about it, I could care less really. I'm just stating facts

I remember growing up my dad used to say Harleys were the only vehicle that appreciates in value. That is long gone as well.



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roadie1389

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One thing to keep in mind, BD did a lot of things and look where they are. So don't think for one minute that the choices they made did not have ramifications. The new Big Dog is much smaller and it takes time and money to start with "custom" parts. these days it is harder for startups to get massive funding. I think it is better for them to get the bikes out, rebuild the brand, make happy customers then work on "what makes us special".
 
Raywood

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BigDogBro1 said:
It's great that KMW is bringing back Bigdog MC to some degree. I was sorry to see that the primary to be used is one that looks like a Harley and in my opinion makes the new K9 look old. I for one was attracted to the unique Baker Drivetrain primary style design. Although the Baker Drivetrain has its faults, I liked the signature style design over the old look HD. It would be great to see a non-Harley contemporary style primary on the on the NEW Bigdog motorcycles.
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I agree and I miss the BD hand controls. Oh and the Baker tranny is so much better than Jims but it works, just noisy
 
Th3InfamousI

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Raywood said:
I agree and I miss the BD hand controls. Oh and the Baker tranny is so much better than Jims but it works, just noisy
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The big dog hand controls are beautiful no argument there. I think the big dogs are perfect, but obviously not everyone does considering where it ended up.

Baker makes an OD6 that slaps into a Harley, no? I think it's just more $$$

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