How-To Understand the Penultimates 101
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BWG56
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:roll::roll:
Exhaust valves and servo motors explained
I believe I noticed a power-valve on an Aprilia race bike along with a few 02 sensors out the pipes? I believe Honda had an elaborate muffler system that snaked the air pulse in an exploitative way using the power-valve? I think it was an 'engineering exercise' and the other factories followed suit? I can't see how a low rpm engine would be at some state of noise emissions? Whereas, the low pulse would gain some grunt? I do not see too many bikes with this servo as in 'a must have for noise emissions?' I don't see it as an 02 emissions to the fuel to match even more strict emissions over in europe? So from euro2 to euro3 is the standard now... noise included?
I've owned, for example, 3 of the same models since 2006. I've seen a honeycomb cat-converter in the 1 header and 2 without. That's 3 "factory emission exercises" during this production run of the same engine family, practically speaking. What I'm trying to establish is a tuning trick, not some emissions trick. Factory pulls paper for a patent and coins it 'power valve'... Why not say the abstract title is not called an 'emissions valve?'
If you read the article, he states the torque flow is now linear by eliminating the servo/stepper motor/actuator/hint-hint-rheostat. Lets use this as an exercise for many basic abstracts to see how the computer functions in the basic moves it can recognize.
A. Analog: This term means 'many.' Lets use a dimmer wall switch as the example. This switch is in a linear state, would you agree? Meaning, the switch can send the light in a linear bright, correct? So, to get there, the switch sends in many different strengths of voltage to amp up the wattage in the bulb. Just think of the input signal to the ECU as many signals from this input 'jobber' called the throttle position sensor (TPS). That servo is also a type of dimmer switch that enters a lot of different positions and that is a lot of dimming of the switch that should be correlating 'the MANY signals' to the ECU.
B. Digital: This term means 'one.' Lets use a diode, a resistor, a bulb, a transistor as an example. WATT you should see now is each part is valued as 'one setting.' You walk into radio shack, you ask for a 220/110/2/10 ohm resistor and that is "ONE NUMBER" of that part. In other words, you walk into home-lowe's, and need a light bulb, watt do you think is 40/60/100w? A single number is what you now see >>> AS INPUT number(s). In other words, we should now be connecting the dots to see that the mini-board with its resistors and transistors, a 555 timer and an IC (integrated circuit) that has [the most pins out] the black square, are all a single number stuck on that board. Make sense we see a single number as in [the input signal has] no moving parts like a rheostat or servo the ECU is waiting for?
C. BACKUPLAN: In computer speak, this is known as a safety valve. What it does next is it trims the power down from FULL to Limp. There is a sensor down and the input signal put the ECU on notice. WATT just happened is to switch your mind over from analog of many to a problem of one the ECU sees. So no matter how you look at it, the mini-board is sending in '1' signal, not 'many' linear moves.
In machine speak to the ECU, our binary number reads like this:
111111111111111111
If we had the servo hooked up, our input following the stepper motor's position would be like this:
1110100101010100010101101010
Once the input to the ECU has (1)a disconnected connector, (2) a short to ground, or a (3) signal out of range = Defaults to the limp or safe-mode. This now is a compromised signal and the computer makes 3 moves on that "out of range signal." It either:
1. Yes - Use it.
2. No - Do not use it at this time.
3. Don't care - Won't use it at all.
Where did that put the out of range single signal out of that mini-board? "Don't care" for the number thank you... You are now in BackUPlan with this "Best" number we created that computes in the complex now and sends junk out as junk came in, here is the best binary we came up with to do the same job in other words: to get you home.
What kept the check engine light off? The 3 wires were still hooked up is my guess. Why? Because the signals are crossed to that 3rd wire going in the mini-board. It's the 555 timer tricking the ECU. I'm on/off, on/off, you can't catch me if you have this happening.
WATT you should now recognize is ac current nature produces and man has to come up with something as to: how to split the two? The input is in ac, so that is why there are so many one way made parts you see on the board. It has to capture the one wave and send it as a dc current. It is how it has to flow as in: one flow in and one flow out think.
So my guess stepping to the 555 timer keeping that light from coming on, we still cannot mimic the rheostat input the servo produces. You should recognize The two different frequencies; The two different inputs of many vs. one; The compromise the ECU takes by using that 'out of range' value; which calc's to a "Best" compromised number as the output... :roll:
Are you on the same page yet, laughing at the electronic elixirs? The many linear moves vs. one single move over and over is the same number?
Do not mess with the Penultimates or else! LOL
:bang: Here is the wall of pain... Read it as as in, 3rd X's the Charm :2thumbs:
Good one, Carlos :lol:
I believe I noticed a power-valve on an Aprilia race bike along with a few 02 sensors out the pipes? I believe Honda had an elaborate muffler system that snaked the air pulse in an exploitative way using the power-valve? I think it was an 'engineering exercise' and the other factories followed suit? I can't see how a low rpm engine would be at some state of noise emissions? Whereas, the low pulse would gain some grunt? I do not see too many bikes with this servo as in 'a must have for noise emissions?' I don't see it as an 02 emissions to the fuel to match even more strict emissions over in europe? So from euro2 to euro3 is the standard now... noise included?
I've owned, for example, 3 of the same models since 2006. I've seen a honeycomb cat-converter in the 1 header and 2 without. That's 3 "factory emission exercises" during this production run of the same engine family, practically speaking. What I'm trying to establish is a tuning trick, not some emissions trick. Factory pulls paper for a patent and coins it 'power valve'... Why not say the abstract title is not called an 'emissions valve?'
If you read the article, he states the torque flow is now linear by eliminating the servo/stepper motor/actuator/hint-hint-rheostat. Lets use this as an exercise for many basic abstracts to see how the computer functions in the basic moves it can recognize.
A. Analog: This term means 'many.' Lets use a dimmer wall switch as the example. This switch is in a linear state, would you agree? Meaning, the switch can send the light in a linear bright, correct? So, to get there, the switch sends in many different strengths of voltage to amp up the wattage in the bulb. Just think of the input signal to the ECU as many signals from this input 'jobber' called the throttle position sensor (TPS). That servo is also a type of dimmer switch that enters a lot of different positions and that is a lot of dimming of the switch that should be correlating 'the MANY signals' to the ECU.
B. Digital: This term means 'one.' Lets use a diode, a resistor, a bulb, a transistor as an example. WATT you should see now is each part is valued as 'one setting.' You walk into radio shack, you ask for a 220/110/2/10 ohm resistor and that is "ONE NUMBER" of that part. In other words, you walk into home-lowe's, and need a light bulb, watt do you think is 40/60/100w? A single number is what you now see >>> AS INPUT number(s). In other words, we should now be connecting the dots to see that the mini-board with its resistors and transistors, a 555 timer and an IC (integrated circuit) that has [the most pins out] the black square, are all a single number stuck on that board. Make sense we see a single number as in [the input signal has] no moving parts like a rheostat or servo the ECU is waiting for?
C. BACKUPLAN: In computer speak, this is known as a safety valve. What it does next is it trims the power down from FULL to Limp. There is a sensor down and the input signal put the ECU on notice. WATT just happened is to switch your mind over from analog of many to a problem of one the ECU sees. So no matter how you look at it, the mini-board is sending in '1' signal, not 'many' linear moves.
In machine speak to the ECU, our binary number reads like this:
111111111111111111
If we had the servo hooked up, our input following the stepper motor's position would be like this:
1110100101010100010101101010
Once the input to the ECU has (1)a disconnected connector, (2) a short to ground, or a (3) signal out of range = Defaults to the limp or safe-mode. This now is a compromised signal and the computer makes 3 moves on that "out of range signal." It either:
1. Yes - Use it.
2. No - Do not use it at this time.
3. Don't care - Won't use it at all.
Where did that put the out of range single signal out of that mini-board? "Don't care" for the number thank you... You are now in BackUPlan with this "Best" number we created that computes in the complex now and sends junk out as junk came in, here is the best binary we came up with to do the same job in other words: to get you home.
What kept the check engine light off? The 3 wires were still hooked up is my guess. Why? Because the signals are crossed to that 3rd wire going in the mini-board. It's the 555 timer tricking the ECU. I'm on/off, on/off, you can't catch me if you have this happening.
WATT you should now recognize is ac current nature produces and man has to come up with something as to: how to split the two? The input is in ac, so that is why there are so many one way made parts you see on the board. It has to capture the one wave and send it as a dc current. It is how it has to flow as in: one flow in and one flow out think.
So my guess stepping to the 555 timer keeping that light from coming on, we still cannot mimic the rheostat input the servo produces. You should recognize The two different frequencies; The two different inputs of many vs. one; The compromise the ECU takes by using that 'out of range' value; which calc's to a "Best" compromised number as the output... :roll:
Are you on the same page yet, laughing at the electronic elixirs? The many linear moves vs. one single move over and over is the same number?
Do not mess with the Penultimates or else! LOL
:bang: Here is the wall of pain... Read it as as in, 3rd X's the Charm :2thumbs:
Good one, Carlos :lol:
grizfish
Active Member
The reason we have difficulty understanding Sven is that he writes in machine language. He's spent too much time programming microprocessors and other ICs such as 555 timers. Engineers aren't crazy, they just express themselves using a bastardized language with feedback loops, A/D converters, etc. Sort of like talking in the frequency domain while thinking in the time domain. All you need for understanding him is knowledge of domain transforms, differentiation, integration, and a few other tools. Then everything will become dimensionally stable for comprehension. He really is quite intelligent.
Jwooky
Well-Known Member
I disagree. I am a (real) Engineer, and we don't speak like that. That statement is somewhat insulting.
Secondly, this is nothing more than gibberish. Its not even remotely technically accurate.
I don't know why this guy floods this site with this garbage and why its tolerated.
I agree, Jw. I have zero education in any engineering classes. I am using a basic concept called hubbishit.
Buddy, you just stepped on a hot burning resistor. Explain the technical part of a limp/backup/fail-safe mode when the computer loses a good known signal as in analog, not digital, meaning, the connector is unplugged, watt happens now? And if you do not explain it as simple as I have, you need to bring in that penultimate number that is used other than the binary, namely 2 being the 2 sets of 4bits = 8bit.
Name every part on that motherboard or you now bring in anything you say as jibberishithell are you talking about, now? Insult? I have the utmost respect for the EE's. I wish I took the art of building motherboards, not set the gap to a set of points and figure out the very first movement of a computer is the gap being on or off, i.e., current on or current off.
Because I do half-ass know what I'm talking about. If you want to diagnose your bike, learn the fundamental basics first. That's all I'm pointing out. Your basic numbers or all else fails to make sense you bring in another number. Now, explain a limp code when 3 variables happen 3 ways.
Someone did mention they were going to change a number I have established, but has yet to come forward. The silence is deafening. I expect to ear the same sound from you... ZERO explanation because why? WATT is your excuse?
Call it a friendly conversation of engineers vs. Sven DeGearknee
After all, there has to be a formula, a step of steps as in follow the 4-strokes of an engine means steps. You're an engineer, explain it. Correct the abstract. You've got time to read it but not type it out... Sounds like a list of excuses about to commence.
DRBarnhart
Insert title here...
If I'm the "someone" you're referring to...
I haven't seen fit to "change a number [you] have established" because in reality you've established nothing. Your so called "hubbishit" would be more correctly defined as total BULLSHIT!!!
Can you hear that?
Dennis
Dennis, I'm dealing with what I term as the 'Runner Uppers" of the forums. If you stand on my red carpet, do not blame me you stepped on it as if I am calling you out.
I have established undisputable theory as in name 3 variables to start an engine = Fuel-Spark-Compression. These are irrefutable variables as are the others.
I am explaining basics in an off the wall concept you are handcuffed to, no matter how I describe it. It loops back to the same theory or you are still looking for another variable to replace is... I'm waiting... I hear excuses as if you have established a better theory of irrefutables and are in fear of what? Being right or wrong?
I want the readers to see you brought nothing to change the theories of facts. You brought an excuse as to name fuel-spark-compression as BULLSHIT... :roll:
Relax, it's just diagnostic theory. Nothing to get all upset about if you cannot bring the REAL THEORY in to dispute the BS??? 
francoblay1
The Spaniard
This is better reading than the newspaper this early in the morning. I love it!!!
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s58/wazfst1tyme/BathroomReader_zpse45f1aaf.jpg
This IS my RED CARPET that you "RUNNER UPPERS" step on! Feel the heat?
:roll:
I'm just the Mess'Inn'Gear.
Like the line Clint Eastwood made, 'go a head, change the basics.'
I know just enough to make me __________ Fill in the blank. :zwhistle:
This IS my RED CARPET that you "RUNNER UPPERS" step on! Feel the heat?
:roll:
I'm just the Mess'Inn'Gear.
Like the line Clint Eastwood made, 'go a head, change the basics.'
I know just enough to make me __________ Fill in the blank. :zwhistle:
bigdogtech01
Well-Known Member
Amen to that!!! I thought this D'bag was kicked off the forum? Now all the sudden he's back, filling it with garbage once again :loony:If I'm the "someone" you're referring to...
I haven't seen fit to "change a number [you] have established" because in reality you've established nothing. Your so called "hubbishit" would be more correctly defined as total BULLSHIT!!!
Can you hear that?
Dennis
Comrades -- If you block him, you'll never have to see his insane horseshit (except for those times one some misguided soul quotes him).
I see nothing from that asshat and I'm better off for it
(I only popped into the thread as I saw bigdogtech was there and he's normally imparting wisdom )
I see nothing from that asshat and I'm better off for it
(I only popped into the thread as I saw bigdogtech was there and he's normally imparting wisdom
)Hey, Torque'Bag, if I followed your tightening settings, my bike would rattle apart in 3 weeks. It's one more "Runner Upper" supreme who wasted a thread like anyone else.
Go check your crown bolts to start with.
If you are going to smacktalk, better make sure you have your diapers on to take the shit back in your face... Is where you wear your diapers... I'm just guessing where you pin them? :roll: Wizdumb my ass.
grizfish
Active Member
Sven, U B Torquin' some jaws!
Yos keep da humor lite, and dirty. Show us some girlie skin an talk the talk we talk or we B takin' da nuts n bolts from dis here playground.
Watts dis sheet bout you dissin my bud Ohm?
dont U B makin dos boys read your mumbo jumbo!
We's got rules!
Yos keep da humor lite, and dirty. Show us some girlie skin an talk the talk we talk or we B takin' da nuts n bolts from dis here playground.
Watts dis sheet bout you dissin my bud Ohm?
dont U B makin dos boys read your mumbo jumbo!
We's got rules!
grizfish
Active Member
Mr. Engineer from Metro Detroit, Please describe to us what you consider to be a (real) Engineer?
I missed that part while earning my lifetime membership in Tau Beta Pi, Theta of California, back in 1978.
bigdogtech01
Well-Known Member
Jealousy...
It all makes perfect sense now!!! It just occurred to me what your problem is...you are jealous of me. That would explain why you have had such a hard on for me ever since you joined this forum. There is no other explanation for your needle dick actions. You are jealous. Wow...must be hard living the life of a needle dick.Hey, Torque'Bag, if I followed your tightening settings, my bike would rattle apart in 3 weeks. It's one more "Runner Upper" supreme who wasted a thread like anyone else.
Go check your crown bolts to start with.
Wizdumb my ass.
francoblay1
The Spaniard
I think I just read a freudian slip of the tongue? "a slip of the tongue that is motivated by and reveals some unconscious aspect of the mind. "
bigdogTECH, If you notice my MO, I am motivated by people's tech abstract and if it does not meet the fundamentals I've explained, it's easy to see who knows their shit and who does not. How could I be jealous of your cluelessness?
If you notice, there have been accusations of my theories I present, and there has yet to be a counter to my tech as being wrong somehow? That to me say, "Bring in the other number if you think my formula is wrong." Maybe you are jealous you can't? I don't know, don't care about you personally, biggy. It's your tech that's makes for good conversation how one approaches a bolt as to set the proper torque vs. tear out the threads vs let the parts slip away down the road.
How in thell did you conclude I am jealous of your torque values being all over the place is beyond me? Doesn't that sound like you have the issues not me? And from the beginning, I caught some kind of common sense that is to say, that 40lb bag of weight onto a bolt and you've seen a 10lb discrepancy?
So if you go back to whatever one of you 'Runner Uppers' ticked you off, go search deep inside. I am far from being jealous of the realities you pee scent = Piss on that! :roll: