WOW!! 585 Install, S&S Tuned Induction..

[Th3InfamousI]

First, there is not an idle screw on an EFI.

Yes it is the serial port, or USB on some. It is not riveted, those are Allen screws so you can just unscrew it. Don't think you can change target idle speed with protune but haven't tried either.

However, I would hook up and check faults. I totally agree this bike is not running right.

I had a couple issues on mine that caused poor throttle response, clogged injectors and burnt spark plug wires.

Either way you have a major miss on that bike that needs to be resolved. It sounds like it running on one cylinder.

When I mentioned the idle screw I wasn't aware he wasn't running a carb model. I didn't see him mention that until later in the post.

Now guys I know you are all assuming something is wrong but audio bites from cell phones are not very good at the db level this bike is at. Whatever we are hearing may not be a true indication on how it's running. I would fully agree There seems to be a miss that you can hear in the video however without being there you can't know for sure if it's just the audio or the real deal....

I could take a sound clip of my 107 that is extremely quiet, zero top end noise and someone might say it's missing and I can assure you it's not. Sound clips are bad way to diagnose a problem, that's what im trying to say.

 

[woodbutcher]

for sure agree with you on this Eric, just throwing things out to check on. verification of all aspects of situation is uppermost on the list of things needed. never depend on something so fickle as a sound bite. at this point, it is just a tool to get suggestions on what to check out.

 

[mittens]

EDIT:

I am going to start a new thread and not hijack this one with questions on my own bike.

 

[francoblay1]

EDIT:

I am going to start a new thread and not hijack this one with questions on my own bike.

Here ya go: http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/general/71500-sound-clip-idle-speed-cam-questions.html

 

[TapioK]

https://vimeo.com/124354896


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To me it sounds like it's running on one cylinder, the other fires once in the while?


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[francoblay1]

Nah, both Cylinders are firing.... but as someone said... phone videos are not precised..

Here is mine:



Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuvbAqtq07g&feature=youtu.be

 

[headshothills]

Don't get your panties in an uproar, but that sound clip sounds aweful, it sounds hollow, I would put the baffels back in.:zz2cents:

The baffles are in it.. Like I said at Idle, sounds like shit!! they are cut to 5.5".. Off idle, sounds great, runs smooth, and roll on sound is awesome... just idle

 

[headshothills]

I put the BCT baffles in my V & H 2 into 2 it's the baffle that is an eyelet about 6 inches in and I love the sound even at idle sounds much better.

I had the same opinion as you I didn't like original baffles at all. It was a well spent 90 bucks !

Did yours sounds like mine in the vid? I guess everyone is starting to think theres something else wrong because the idle sounds so bad...

 

[headshothills]

Below is a quote from a guy in the know. A little birdy

"This guys engine has something seriously wrong with it. The way it's idling and popping out rear exhaust and the amount of mechanical noise coming from it, he has something wrong. I would say either he adjusted pushrods wrong, lifter is bad, or valve guide is worn. Maybe all the above!"

I can go back through and re-adjust the pushrods again.. Followed as expected, hand tightened the opposite rod when at TDC for each, then 3 full turns, let bleed down, ALL good, did the fronts from the Timing Hole and aligned from that for the front pushrods..but I can check again.. Also, the bike runs great acceleration, freeway, off idle...

the more i listen to the video, the more i feel i need to ask the question. are you sure it is a 585??????? sounds more like a 569. and, yes, lugging one of these, or any, long stroked motors is not good on the internals. has to maintain enough inertia on the crank to make sure it gets past top dead center to keep it from hanging up on the stroke. at least that's my story, and i'm stickin' to it.

Yes, its a 585, it was stamped on the end, ordered from Mick at Mischeif...

for sure agree with you on this Eric, just throwing things out to check on. verification of all aspects of situation is uppermost on the list of things needed. never depend on something so fickle as a sound bite. at this point, it is just a tool to get suggestions on what to check out.

Ill go through it again, I know for SURE the thing is timed, so that isnt the issue, but I will definitely take the time and double check the pushrods again...

 

[headshothills]

First, there is not an idle screw on an EFI.

Yes it is the serial port, or USB on some. It is not riveted, those are Allen screws so you can just unscrew it. Don't think you can change target idle speed with protune but haven't tried either.

However, I would hook up and check faults. I totally agree this bike is not running right.

I had a couple issues on mine that caused poor throttle response, clogged injectors and burnt spark plug wires.

Either way you have a major miss on that bike that needs to be resolved. It sounds like it running on one cylinder.

Got the cover off, guess I didnt use the right size and thought in the darkness they were rivets to seal it closed from factory...

It seems to be just missing on the bottom if you guys seem to think so, everything else off idle seems to run great..

Im re-adjusting the pushrods now....

 

[Th3InfamousI]

Got the cover off, guess I didnt use the right size and thought in the darkness they were rivets to seal it closed from factory...

It seems to be just missing on the bottom if you guys seem to think so, everything else off idle seems to run great..

Im re-adjusting the pushrods now....

If it runs good and accelerates great is it really missing or is it just the clip?

A miss would be your timing is probably off, If your push-rods were not good you would here the valves knocking on the top end.

If your saying it runs great and accelerates great other guys think it's running on one cylinder, someone's way off! haha

 

[zenbiker]

About the idle speed. I know they sound great loping at 500-600 rpm but very low engine speeds do not create sufficient turbulence in the crank case to adequately lubricate the bottom.
We V-Twin heads are idle sound fanatics but let her idle at just under 1000 rpm.
I've never actually heard of an oil related failure from this but, in theory, wear could certainly be accelerated.

 

[ksmike]

The VFI module will only let you set the idle at 900 to 1100 rpm. I have to think the guys with the really cool sounding carbed engines idle much lower that that.

I have a 585 cam in mine and it doesnt sound like that, but I have a 2into1 pipe on it. I think the sound of a EFI engine at idle is different from a carbed engine because the throttle body is constantly trying to compensate for idle. I also dont think a 585 is has a very radical lope to it?

 

[headshothills]

I think you guys were right, after re-doing the pushrod adjustment, the sound isn't as bad and the valve terrain is much quieter... What do you think...

https://vimeo.com/124878276


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[Jwooky]

It sounds a lot better in second video. Sounds the way it should.

What did you do different?

 

[headshothills]

WOW!! 585 Install, S&S Tuned Induction..

It sounds a lot better in second video. Sounds the way it should.



What did you do different?

Honestly... Pushrod adjustment... That was it...



So maybe I screwed up on the first one because I pulled the cam out to swap it so all 4 pushrods were lose... I pulled the timing plug and set the front one to TF or the timing mark for the front cylinder and made my adjustments from there...



When I went back and did it this time, I just rotated the rear wheel in 6th looking for the opposing high spot and adjusted from there...

 

[BWG56]

Below is a quote from a guy in the know. A little birdy

"This guys engine has something seriously wrong with it. The way it's idling and popping out rear exhaust and the amount of mechanical noise coming from it, he has something wrong. I would say either he adjusted pushrods wrong, lifter is bad, or valve guide is worn. Maybe all the above!"

I think you guys were right, after re-doing the pushrod adjustment, the sound isn't as bad and the valve terrain is much quieter... What do you think...


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This advise I posted was from a little birdy (Bigdogtech01) was spot on, glad you got it worked out.
This video sounds a lot different, much better, Oh wait, sounds like mine:lol::2thumbs:

 

[headshothills]

This advise I posted was from a little birdy (Bigdogtech01) was spot on, glad you got it worked out.
This video sounds a lot different, much better, Oh wait, sounds like mine:lol::2thumbs:

HAHA...

Again.. Thanks for the little birdie!!!:up:

Also wanted to add that the bottom end stumble off idle is gone too....

Now onto the Low Fuel light... LOL