Yeah it fixed yours...thank god it got caught it before it wore the basket out...lucky it just get the pressure plate that got torn up...but those loose fingers on the disc damn near got your basket...as we both know baskets and hubs are about impossible to find now for those now
If you remember, the nut on my front sprocket was coming loose and making some noise. You helped me get it tightened up. It's been fine ever since.
Hey Knothead When I first installed this Baker the clutch Assembly was already put together at the factory. And I posted on here that I didn't like the rattling noise and if there was something wrong with it and I was told by 2 other well - known members on here that was normal As it didn't have the oil to keep them quiet. But it was driving me crazy so I disassembled it and looked at everything and it looked to be put together correctly. It's a 12 disk assembly not 9. I put it together just like it is in the picture that I will post with this. I put all the frictions and plates with the sharp edge facing in and the round edge facing out But it still makes the rattling noise. The clutch pulls real smooth Almost effortlessly and finding gears is Effortless. Also no slipping or creeping. I love the open primary I like the looks and I like the supercharger sound the belt makes but that rattling just drives me nuts. Everything was torqued To spec the first time I installed it and when I took it apart The second time and reassembled it and retorque to Factory specs again but still the same rattling sound. Am I missing something here or what?
Looks right from what I'm seeing... when you start putting the metals and fibers back in take your fingers and see if you can rock them back and forth...what I meaning by that is to see if there is slack from the fiber fingers on the basket and also to see if the metals have slack on the hub...most of the time the rattle is from the fiber disc fingers popping on the basket. Metals usually are fine on the hub.
It came with a new billet carrier. I looked in there anyway to see if I could see anything and I don't see nothing wrong with it. It's more like a solid plate than the old style that I took off. I put the fibers in and check them and they fit Like they should no excessive play. I tried The steals on a center hub same thing No excessive play. The hub and basket also show no where they look like brand new. I will Have to wait till Wednesday when I'm off work to check the torque on the output shaft and the input shaft. I checked them the first time I took this apart and they were OK. If I remember right The clutch hub is 80 ft*lbs of torque and the engine sprocket nut is 175 ft* lbs I'll have to look that up again. I totally agree with you on It doing it when I let go of the clutch and when I pull the clutch in it goes away. That threw me off too. I checked the stater through the holes in the back of the sprocket and I don't see any cracks and it doesn't wiggle around or move when I try to move it around. Do you think A bad bearing on the input shaft on the transmission Or a bad bearing on the baker outer bearing support could do that ? It just doesn't have a bad bearing sound It sounds like the Steels and frictions are rattling.
I spun the 2 covers on the outer bearing support and the one that goes over the clutch hub felt as if it has flat spots. The more I spun it the smoother it got and then it went away and turned smooth. I'm wondering if That isn't because the grease was just stiff because it's sub zero out there and + it has less than 300 miles on it. I'm going to go ahead and change it out anyway / cheap insurance. I don't see where that would change any thing from rattle to not rattle by pulling in the clutch But I've got it apart and bearings are cheap and I have seen more than one bearing bad right out of the box so What the hell. The throw out bearing Spins smooth I don't know how tight it's supposed to be in the pressure plate. It has the 2 little ears on it To keep it from spinning inside the pressure plate and then a snap ring to hold it in But I can wiggle it around in there which I'm assuming is normal.
Then it starts making noise so I jump on here and got the wrong information. Then Im Bummed out and decide just to sell it and put the Close primary back on it. Then I didn't put down the least I would take for it which was A mistake. Then I get completely low balled offer so I feel insulted Which I guess I shouldn't have. So then I Type in something I shouldn't have Which I wish I could take back but I can't. YA The proverbial cluster F~~K
Yeah, most open primaries make a lot of noise. When i decided to put an OP on my bike, there were several options out there, Baker, Karata, etc. Baker advertised how quiet their belt drives were. After hearing the Primo on a buddy's bike, I wasn't a fan of the noise. I bought the Baker specifically because they say it is quiet. I can't disagree with that. My Baker is quiet. I hope you get it figured out.I spun the 2 covers on the outer bearing support and the one that goes over the clutch hub felt as if it has flat spots. The more I spun it the smoother it got and then it went away and turned smooth. I'm wondering if That isn't because the grease was just stiff because it's sub zero out there and + it has less than 300 miles on it. I'm going to go ahead and change it out anyway / cheap insurance. I don't see where that would change any thing from rattle to not rattle by pulling in the clutch But I've got it apart and bearings are cheap and I have seen more than one bearing bad right out of the box so What the hell. The throw out bearing Spins smooth I don't know how tight it's supposed to be in the pressure plate. It has the 2 little ears on it To keep it from spinning inside the pressure plate and then a snap ring to hold it in But I can wiggle it around in there which I'm assuming is normal.
You know what the real pisser is Knot when I first installed this thing there was still snow on the ground so I ran it in the shop and it did not rattle at all It was quiet and smooth the only thing you could hear was the whining of the belt. Then When it got warm out I took it out For a ride and it still didn't do it for like the first 100 miles Then it started making the noise Real Subtle but you could hear it That's when I jumped on The forum the first time and ask around and was told that that was normal. I didn't like it but I thought it was so subtle that I could get used to it . Then it got louder and louder and leveled out to about where it's at right now after somewhere around another 75 miles. I have put on Somewhere around 100 to 120 miles more and it hasn't Gotten louder. But it's loud enough that even my buddies riding with me can hear it going down the road.
I don't know Knot this whole thing has been a fiasco. First I installed it which went smooth about two hours and I was a happy camper
Well Wednesday when I'm off I will check to make sure the input and output shafts Are still at torque spec and let you know what I find out.
It is possible that the grease was froze and when the bearing was turning it had some of the balls not able to roll.and maybe put a flat spot on the bearing...but you say it gets smoother once you keep turning it so that throws me off a little...but I would most definitely pull it out and check it and as you said bearings are cheap...there is something just not exactly right causing this....I do believe once you get the issue found you will want to keep it on the bike.I spun the 2 covers on the outer bearing support and the one that goes over the clutch hub felt as if it has flat spots. The more I spun it the smoother it got and then it went away and turned smooth. I'm wondering if That isn't because the grease was just stiff because it's sub zero out there and + it has less than 300 miles on it. I'm going to go ahead and change it out anyway / cheap insurance. I don't see where that would change any thing from rattle to not rattle by pulling in the clutch But I've got it apart and bearings are cheap and I have seen more than one bearing bad right out of the box so What the hell. The throw out bearing Spins smooth I don't know how tight it's supposed to be in the pressure plate. It has the 2 little ears on it To keep it from spinning inside the pressure plate and then a snap ring to hold it in But I can wiggle it around in there which I'm assuming is normal.
You know what the real pisser is Knot when I first installed this thing there was still snow on the ground so I ran it in the shop and it did not rattle at all It was quiet and smooth the only thing you could hear was the whining of the belt. Then When it got warm out I took it out For a ride and it still didn't do it for like the first 100 miles Then it started making the noise Real Subtle but you could hear it That's when I jumped on The forum the first time and ask around and was told that that was normal. I didn't like it but I thought it was so subtle that I could get used to it . Then it got louder and louder and leveled out to about where it's at right now after somewhere around another 75 miles. I have put on Somewhere around 100 to 120 miles more and it hasn't Gotten louder. But it's loud enough that even my buddies riding with me can hear it going down the road.
I don't know Knot this whole thing has been a fiasco. First I installed it which went smooth about two hours and I was a happy camper
Well Wednesday when I'm off I will check to make sure the input and output shafts Are still at torque spec and let you know what I find out.
It’s all good don’t fret it, frustrations happen. if you would actually meet these forum members you would find some things that are very rare in life. Buffy has a description for us and it’s very true. Every single member is most likely tops in there field of work. We come from all walks of life but everyone is a professional.I spun the 2 covers on the outer bearing support and the one that goes over the clutch hub felt as if it has flat spots. The more I spun it the smoother it got and then it went away and turned smooth. I'm wondering if That isn't because the grease was just stiff because it's sub zero out there and + it has less than 300 miles on it. I'm going to go ahead and change it out anyway / cheap insurance. I don't see where that would change any thing from rattle to not rattle by pulling in the clutch But I've got it apart and bearings are cheap and I have seen more than one bearing bad right out of the box so What the hell. The throw out bearing Spins smooth I don't know how tight it's supposed to be in the pressure plate. It has the 2 little ears on it To keep it from spinning inside the pressure plate and then a snap ring to hold it in But I can wiggle it around in there which I'm assuming is normal.
You know what the real pisser is Knot when I first installed this thing there was still snow on the ground so I ran it in the shop and it did not rattle at all It was quiet and smooth the only thing you could hear was the whining of the belt. Then When it got warm out I took it out For a ride and it still didn't do it for like the first 100 miles Then it started making the noise Real Subtle but you could hear it That's when I jumped on The forum the first time and ask around and was told that that was normal. I didn't like it but I thought it was so subtle that I could get used to it . Then it got louder and louder and leveled out to about where it's at right now after somewhere around another 75 miles. I have put on Somewhere around 100 to 120 miles more and it hasn't Gotten louder. But it's loud enough that even my buddies riding with me can hear it going down the road.
I don't know Knot this whole thing has been a fiasco. First I installed it which went smooth about two hours and I was a happy camper
Well Wednesday when I'm off I will check to make sure the input and output shafts Are still at torque spec and let you know what I find out.
Considering you hear a change in noise when you engage/disengage the clutch, I would focus on that symptom. Bearings like to make different noises when pressure changes light or heavy. Possibly get a stethoscope to help you locate the noise. When is the last time you changed your trans fluid? Clutch in (no noise and input shaft not turning) and change in pressure could make the throw-out bearing misbehave. Yes, defective outer bearing support is also involved in the drive train.
Well you guys have all heard mine. It ain’t quiet. Doesn’t have any rattling noises though. Works perfectly. It’s a BDL not a Baker however. And it’s actually built for drag bikes at the drag strip. This was on the ferry ride. Dave’s Mastiff is in front of mine. Great memories with awesome friends from all over. Hope to be able to do another one of these days.
I do apologize for my input earlier in this thread when you mentioned the noise starting to be noticeable. I assumed normal break-in for the primary. However as stated by others not being able to hear what you hear makes diagnosis complicated. My BDL makes a bit of noise. Not rattling however & I’ve had it completely apart a couple times for service. I really hope you get it figured out. Looks great on your bike! Best of Luck!I spun the 2 covers on the outer bearing support and the one that goes over the clutch hub felt as if it has flat spots. The more I spun it the smoother it got and then it went away and turned smooth. I'm wondering if That isn't because the grease was just stiff because it's sub zero out there and + it has less than 300 miles on it. I'm going to go ahead and change it out anyway / cheap insurance. I don't see where that would change any thing from rattle to not rattle by pulling in the clutch But I've got it apart and bearings are cheap and I have seen more than one bearing bad right out of the box so What the hell. The throw out bearing Spins smooth I don't know how tight it's supposed to be in the pressure plate. It has the 2 little ears on it To keep it from spinning inside the pressure plate and then a snap ring to hold it in But I can wiggle it around in there which I'm assuming is normal.
You know what the real pisser is Knot when I first installed this thing there was still snow on the ground so I ran it in the shop and it did not rattle at all It was quiet and smooth the only thing you could hear was the whining of the belt. Then When it got warm out I took it out For a ride and it still didn't do it for like the first 100 miles Then it started making the noise Real Subtle but you could hear it That's when I jumped on The forum the first time and ask around and was told that that was normal. I didn't like it but I thought it was so subtle that I could get used to it . Then it got louder and louder and leveled out to about where it's at right now after somewhere around another 75 miles. I have put on Somewhere around 100 to 120 miles more and it hasn't Gotten louder. But it's loud enough that even my buddies riding with me can hear it going down the road.
I don't know Knot this whole thing has been a fiasco. First I installed it which went smooth about two hours and I was a happy camper
Well Wednesday when I'm off I will check to make sure the input and output shafts Are still at torque spec and let you know what I find out.
When I got off work this morning Knot I went out to the shop and tried to spin that bearing again and it did the same thing Flat spot when I first started turning it then smoothed out after a couple 3-4 revolutions. So I turned the heat on in the shop came back in went to bed after my 14 hour shift got up about an hour ago went back out and still turning smooth and everything's warm out there now So that's what it's gotta be there is the grease was just too stiff In the sub zero weather. But I'm going to go ahead and replace it anyway. Well one more 14 hour shift tonight then I'm off for a couple of days and I'll be able to dive into it.
Well life's been pretty stressful for me lately!! Not sleeping much 4-5hr a day Sometimes not at all Health issues etc etc.. My best friend / Wife of 48 years has been ragging me Because I haven't permanently retired. (She says I'm way too grumpy lately ) Which I am starting to see it myself so yeah it's probably true. I worked two full time jobs for a little over 20 years as a Factory master certified and ASE platinum certified auto tech In all 8 categories for Subaru -GMC -Cadillac - Buick - Mitsubishi and Hyundai. At the same time I work nights full time as a shop manager in a fabrication shop Designing and building stuff for the Navy and John Deere. I was doing this because I didn't want my kids to have to grow up as I did. After I retired from those two jobs I went back to work Full time as a supervisor ( And I wasn't an office supervisor Like the other supervisors I Chose to worked on the floor shoulder to shoulder with my guys ) In the second largest factory in the world that Recycles£1.5 million lbs of plastic per day and extrudes it into pipes and fittings. You have probably seen some of the pipe we made at like Home Depot Menards and places like that The 4 inch black corrugated pipe with the green stripe running all the way down it. That was our smallest pipe. Our largest pipe was Triple wall 24 feet in diameter I retired from there after 20 years. And for the last couple of years I work at a place As a maintenance technician that makes pudding and jello lol. Now I'm trying to decide if I Should go back to retirement. This has been a very hard decision for me as I have worked all my life and don't know how not to. I have never met any of these forum members but I have talked to a few of them on the phone BigMike - Mr wright - Curtis- And a couple others and they all are awesome people. I was going to try to make the gathering last year but life got in the way and I was unable to make it. I'm hoping this year that I can. I would have to trailer my bike there as I don't know if I can make that long of a trip on my hard tail and I don't want to take the Harley To a big dog gathering. Just to clarify so no one gets mad there's nothing wrong with riding your Harley to the Gathering But as for myself I would rather have the big dog there.
