If the cost was all the same, Wire Plus, PDM, or rewire the whole thing?
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Moespeeds
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Just curious, why would you want a wire plus over a complete rewire?
Here's some pics of my 04 when I rebuilt it.
http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/c...project-raking-out-my-neck-new-front-end.html
Here's some pics of my 04 when I rebuilt it.
http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/c...project-raking-out-my-neck-new-front-end.html
Last I heard from BDM was that they haven't built the new battery box for the 250 size frames yet and the PDM was only available to the 300 size boxes. Maybe they have it done how (and they didn't let me know!!!!)
TCALZ06
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I bought a PDM a couple weeks ago and still need to install it. If it doesn't fix my headlight and tach issues I will do a rewire like you did. I prefer as simple as possible and your wire job looks great
If the PDM works it looks like it will be a decent amount cheaper
If the PDM works it looks like it will be a decent amount cheaper
Fibersnake
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Not sure Ray, but when I spoke to Bob at BDP he told me that was part of the new kit and was what they were waiting on when they were having them built. I also called him back to confirm that would be in the kit and though at that time, they were still out for production from their supplier, he did go through the list of the kit and it included a battery box. My dealer should have it in this week (unless BDP gave them some BS for BDP sent them an email which was forward to me saying it was being shipped a couple days ago on Friday). It better have the battery box and all the needed items for the price went up and it is costing me close to $700. Granted may be a little higher than straight from BDP but I still like to give my local dealer buisness (they always treated me well).Last I heard from BDM was that they haven't built the new battery box for the 250 size frames yet and the PDM was only available to the 300 size boxes. Maybe they have it done how (and they didn't let me know!!!!)
I will know when I get home or once the wife picks up (hopefully this week) and goes through the contents when I call her. I will be a pissed off customer if there is other itmes that need to be bought or fab since it was supposed to be a complete plug and play kit and have the battery box and everything. The P/N that I ordered is 173-000103-00 if this helps!
We will see and if everything is as expected, hopefully it will hold up for many years and if it does go out later, than I can go the clean simplified route.
bdmridgeback
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Well, here is my input... And I sell wire plus...
Rewiring is the way I was going to go before I worked with
Wire-Plus on their BDM replacement module.
I really like the clean look of the BDM hand controls, fat bars & speedo,
and didn't really want to give them up.
I hate the bulky look of 90% of all HD styled controls.
True, cheap ones can be bought, but you get just that, cheap crap
that doesn't hold up. You need to spend $500+ to get a set of hand controls
that compare to the quality of the BDM factory units.
Then if you want fat bars and want to keep the stock speedo/tach,
the bars will need to be custom made at $250+ after chrome or powder.
...THEN, we need to talk labor for those that NEED to take it to a shop
to have this work done.
So really,this poll is confusing to people...
There is no way you can do any of the three conversions for the same price
Without loosing something here or there to keep the prices the same
Rewiring is the way I was going to go before I worked with
Wire-Plus on their BDM replacement module.
I really like the clean look of the BDM hand controls, fat bars & speedo,
and didn't really want to give them up.
I hate the bulky look of 90% of all HD styled controls.
True, cheap ones can be bought, but you get just that, cheap crap
that doesn't hold up. You need to spend $500+ to get a set of hand controls
that compare to the quality of the BDM factory units.
Then if you want fat bars and want to keep the stock speedo/tach,
the bars will need to be custom made at $250+ after chrome or powder.
...THEN, we need to talk labor for those that NEED to take it to a shop
to have this work done.
So really,this poll is confusing to people...
There is no way you can do any of the three conversions for the same price
Without loosing something here or there to keep the prices the same
Big Dog PDM - easy install, lots of stuff to take apart and reassemble.
--------------- loss of self cancel signals, loss of flashers, doesn't fix the
--------------- faulty BDM ignition switch problems, lack of testing due
--------------- to being new, only available for some models, $600-$700
--------------- Labor cheapest at $300+
--------------- (Not available for 2004 and 05 at all)
Wire Plus mod - very time consuming install, cheapest route to go, keeps all functions
----------------- as stock, few people feel they can't do the install, very little
----------------- disassembly required, fixes all issues contributed to the EHC
----------------- (faulty switch, low voltage hand controls, EHC plugs) $525
----------------- Labor $400-800
Rewire to simple - most expensive, must change out to HD bars and hand controls,
------------------- disassemble near entire bike needed, custom bracket needs made
------------------- to keep speedo otherwise you loose it, most people can't do it.
------------------- $300+ done cheap with Ebay parts...no speedo/tach
------------------- $1000+ keeping speedo/fat bars/nice quality controls
------------------- Labor complete rewire, install bars/controls $500-900
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Fibersnake
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Well some good information. As far as the PDM goes, they do have an 05, but that siad, all of them are limited and it seems like they aremaking them in small batches, so it could be a wait if you do not get the ones when they come in.
On the install cannot say for sure, but it should be an easy install that anyone could do and should not take too much time. $300+ would seem like a major rip off to do something as simple as it should be unless the stealer is charging major arm and leg.
Will let you all know within the month.
Disagree about the ignition switch though. Maybe cheap but mine has worked fine and I think the vast majority have of the nearly 20000 that have them. If one is concerned about the switch they could still change it out.
That said, it would be hard to make a decission for as point out by BdmRidgeback for there is no way you could do the three for the same price without loosing something.
Will say that from the people that have posted and bought the WP, most seem to have no problems with it. On the PDM, it is an unknown, I will find out, but if BD did do their QC and their vendor made it right, it may indeed be a good product and hold up for long time. If so, and install goes as planned, then could be the easist of all while still maintaining the original controls, but it appears you will loose a few function like the self canceling and the flasher (sort like many many bike out there anyway).
On the install cannot say for sure, but it should be an easy install that anyone could do and should not take too much time. $300+ would seem like a major rip off to do something as simple as it should be unless the stealer is charging major arm and leg.
Will let you all know within the month.
Disagree about the ignition switch though. Maybe cheap but mine has worked fine and I think the vast majority have of the nearly 20000 that have them. If one is concerned about the switch they could still change it out.
That said, it would be hard to make a decission for as point out by BdmRidgeback for there is no way you could do the three for the same price without loosing something.
Will say that from the people that have posted and bought the WP, most seem to have no problems with it. On the PDM, it is an unknown, I will find out, but if BD did do their QC and their vendor made it right, it may indeed be a good product and hold up for long time. If so, and install goes as planned, then could be the easist of all while still maintaining the original controls, but it appears you will loose a few function like the self canceling and the flasher (sort like many many bike out there anyway).
lee
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a couple of things to throw in the mix
a - you can keep the BDM hand controls with standard momentary switches but it's not easy. I've done this (I didn't do the work personally - faces were cut off and new faces welded on - there's a pic on here somewhere). So not absolutely necessary to get new hand controls if going with simplified wiring.
b - if you do want to go with standard 1" hand controls, it's not the most difficult thing in the world to modify the BDM bars so that they would work
a - you can keep the BDM hand controls with standard momentary switches but it's not easy. I've done this (I didn't do the work personally - faces were cut off and new faces welded on - there's a pic on here somewhere). So not absolutely necessary to get new hand controls if going with simplified wiring.
b - if you do want to go with standard 1" hand controls, it's not the most difficult thing in the world to modify the BDM bars so that they would work
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Ray (and anyone else that is interested), my PDM for my 05 came in yesterday. Mine is a 2005 Mastiff with the 250 tire, anyway the new kit did have a battery box with it. The part number for the kit was 173-000103-00.Last I heard from BDM was that they haven't built the new battery box for the 250 size frames yet and the PDM was only available to the 300 size boxes. Maybe they have it done how (and they didn't let me know!!!!)
I had the dealer go through the pieces on the phone as she was looking at them and then my wife also went through them when she got home from picking it up. It will be approximately 3 weeks before I am back home and will do the install, but based on the information I have gotten for the kit that came in, they did include the battery box and other items for the 250 size or at least the 2005 Mastiff. Once I get back home and install, I will post pictures up. Hopefully it all works out and holds up for the long run.
Moespeeds
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Like I said guys, NAMZ will do your complete rewire, with quality bars and controls, labor and all parts included for $1100. That's soup to nuts, you keep your existing speedo.
Tim I called you last night because I was working on a PDM and we didn't have instructions but I got it sorted out. Guy still doesn't have a working horn, not sure what's up with that, so if you want a PDM, don't count on having a horn.
Tim I called you last night because I was working on a PDM and we didn't have instructions but I got it sorted out. Guy still doesn't have a working horn, not sure what's up with that, so if you want a PDM, don't count on having a horn.
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Moe,
Sorry that you called me last night. I am still in Afghanistan. If you are still in a bind I can get the wife to look through the package and see what the instruction say or if they address that, maybe even have her scan them and then send them your way.
Got just short of 3 weeks when I will ahve hnads on to see if it waht I am expecting or if I will run into problems. Hopefully the former for I did talk to Bob at BDP and he made it clear aobut everything working with exception of the falsher, signal cancel. Was the on eyou work on last night a very recent one that just came on the newest batch?
Sorry that you called me last night. I am still in Afghanistan. If you are still in a bind I can get the wife to look through the package and see what the instruction say or if they address that, maybe even have her scan them and then send them your way.
Got just short of 3 weeks when I will ahve hnads on to see if it waht I am expecting or if I will run into problems. Hopefully the former for I did talk to Bob at BDP and he made it clear aobut everything working with exception of the falsher, signal cancel. Was the on eyou work on last night a very recent one that just came on the newest batch?
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Any chance guys like me can get the details? I'm a bit far away and would prefer to rewire my bike myself.
PaulHart
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Anyone heard of or used these. Says on the site they're a direct fit for 1.25" bars.
Get That Super-Clean Custom Look
OUCH I just saw the price. DAMN!
Get That Super-Clean Custom Look
OUCH I just saw the price. DAMN!
Nukeranger
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Wow, it is a good thing the economy sucks and I don't have $2K laying around. Plus, I would have to ditch the rear view mirrors so they didn't ugly up the installation! What would I do with that Cruise-Mate that I love so much. It would be really cool to hide the clutch cable, throttle cables, and brake line. But, I kind of like the way Big Dog did it.
I'll bookmark it anyway.
I'll bookmark it anyway.
Top1371
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Kaptain America has these on his bike, Definitely cleans up the bars.Anyone heard of or used these. Says on the site they're a direct fit for 1.25" bars.
Get That Super-Clean Custom Look
OUCH I just saw the price. DAMN!