Dealers forced BDM Under?

[Ray]

Agrees with Knotso about the negative stuff, there is just so long you can beat a dead horse. I for one have not lost one moments sleep over BDM going under, but I can understand why a lot of folks with warrantys, tanks in their shop, other issues ,etc. have lost sleep and are very concerned.
This forum in itself has the resources, knowledge, and people that are willing to do whatever to get us all through this bump in the road. Personally I get like therapy from riding, wrenching, and polishing the crap out of my scooter, better than any drugs I ever took, ooops that was another lifetime, different century too, . I have not even one time even thought of getting rid of my scooter, and my personal opinion, there is not another bike I would rather ride on the market anywhere, anyones bike. It's kool, it's an eye catcher, it's window rattling loud, it's long and fast, it's like an old hippy's rocking chair and it is not for sale. It is cover up in my garage right now, until I uncover it later today and go for a little spin through the country side. I am going to get one of those cruz mates from Tom possibly this week and keep cruzing down the road. :2thumbs:

Ray

 

[granddaddydog]

Dang,The Death of Big Dog say It Is not so.

 

[Rally]

with the help from the fine folks on this site we are in good shape...jus sayin :up:

 

[2004BC]

This theory is unfounded. In order for this to be true, every single BDM dealer had to collude in order to pull this off.

This is also a radically simplistic rationale for BDM's demise.

For your edumacation, read my thread "why this happened, what does it mean to me?"

As for fixing fault, that mentality is indicative of poor intellectual development.

Instead of fixing fault on the dealers or where ever, lets all focus on how to preserve these incredible bikes, the biker community, and helping each other out.

Focus on the solution, not who's at fault.

If it could happen to General Motors, it can happen to BDM. Only difference is Obama didnt bail BDM out.

Damn you're good! Economics major? :2thumbs:

 

[bdwolf]

:angry:i hate it that bdm has gone under,but my bike is not under warranty.what about the guy who purchased one last week and put down hard earned money on a new wolf.to find out this week he has no warranty.how hard will it be to find parts on low production new models.if this new company gets off the ground are they going to at least warranty parts.i would think money could be made selling parts you would have had to give away last week under warranty.

 

[bigdogtech01]

Believe or not, some may say the Dealers drove BDM under...How did they do it? They bought bikes from BDM and jacked the price up 15K...Economy hit and couldnt move them that fast so they sat on them until they could get rid of them, then never bought more bikes...The Dealers didnt want to fix small stuff and when they did, they charged BDM labor...sometimes for no reason...BDM was the cash cow of the Dealers and now, they need to find another "Shiny" toy to jack the price up on...Look what Harley is doing now to prevent Dealership Mischief...They have set a universal MSRP....Harley Dealers cannot sell their bikes more than MSRP...

This whole thing is WAY off and 100% FALSE!!!! I have a dealer packet sitting right here by my side right now. I had some bankers ready to open a dealership here in upstate NY just before things started getting bad at BDM. It never happened because we saw that the company was starting to struggle. But anyhow, I have all the pricing sheets, the bikes DO have MSRP's and the dealers were making between $3500-$5500...NOT $15,000.
The only thing I would say is that BDM might have gone a little to far with warranty work. They were the best out there. Would warranty bikes that were out for over a year or more. You would not see any other brand doing that. But, this might have hurt them in some way. NOT saying that's a fact, just my 2 cents.

 

[Buster03]

Believe or not, some may say the Dealers drove BDM under...How did they do it? They bought bikes from BDM and jacked the price up 15K...Economy hit and couldnt move them that fast so they sat on them until they could get rid of them, then never bought more bikes...The Dealers didnt want to fix small stuff and when they did, they charged BDM labor...sometimes for no reason...BDM was the cash cow of the Dealers and now, they need to find another "Shiny" toy to jack the price up on...Look what Harley is doing now to prevent Dealership Mischief...They have set a universal MSRP....Harley Dealers cannot sell their bikes more than MSRP...

I think you have a good point but its really the American People buying JAP SHIT! buying them selves right out of jobs. You see Jessie James is out of bussiness.

 

[RoadRider]

How many threads are you gonna start and continue down this path with all the negativity??

You said it brother, let it be. it's done and over. MOVE ON !!!!!!

 

[MIAMIVICE]

This whole thing is WAY off and 100% FALSE!!!! I have a dealer packet sitting right here by my side right now. I had some bankers ready to open a dealership here in upstate NY just before things started getting bad at BDM. It never happened because we saw that the company was starting to struggle. But anyhow, I have all the pricing sheets, the bikes DO have MSRP's and the dealers were making between $3500-$5500...NOT $15,000.
The only thing I would say is that BDM might have gone a little to far with warranty work. They were the best out there. Would warranty bikes that were out for over a year or more. You would not see any other brand doing that. But, this might have hurt them in some way. NOT saying that's a fact, just my 2 cents.

Since you know everything, how would you explain a 40k plus Big Dog? Some folks paid over 40k from Dealers....Especially, if they "Special Ordered" it....What's so special to pick your choice of color and chrome parts thats already polished? Its not like you cold upgrade the Engine, or it had some special Controls...No, they all are the same...My 22k Dog runs the same as my Buddy's 40K Dog...Only thing is he "Ordered" it...That's when the Devil (Dealers) added their taxes... Trust me, I been to the factory and talk to some folks...All the bikes are less than 18k to manufacture and they leave the factory at about 25K or less....You wouldnt have been successful in Selling Big Dogs, cause you havent did any home work...Banks?...Oh BTW, they was gonna screw you too...

In the end, my Dealer came clean about the prices of Dogs and Parts....Heres an example....
1. K9 Passenger Seats: Most sells for 205 USD, Dealers pick up for 130 USD
2. Rocky Mountian exposed everyone on the tires! 229 for a 300series tire..that's shipped...

Nice Markup huh?

 

[MIAMIVICE]

I think you have a good point but its really the American People buying JAP SHIT! buying them selves right out of jobs. You see Jessie James is out of bussiness.

Thank you for seeing my Point! Whenever you have a "Middle-Man" (Dealers), the buyer will get "hit over the Head" or in some cases Ripped off...If BDM would have been the only point of sale, then maybe they may be around....OCC sells their own bikes and Big Bear only have a Handful of Dealers, mostly all speaking the same color of money...:zz2cents:

 

[bigdogtech01]

Since you know everything, how would you explain a 40k plus Big Dog? Some folks paid over 40k from Dealers....Especially, if they "Special Ordered" it....What's so special to pick your choice of color and chrome parts thats already polished? Its not like you cold upgrade the Engine, or it had some special Controls...No, they all are the same...My 22k Dog runs the same as my Buddy's 40K Dog...Only thing is he "Ordered" it...That's when the Devil (Dealers) added their taxes... Trust me, I been to the factory and talk to some folks...All the bikes are less than 18k to manufacture and they leave the factory at about 25K or less....You wouldnt have been successful in Selling Big Dogs, cause you havent did any home work...Banks?...Oh BTW, they was gonna screw you too...

In the end, my Dealer came clean about the prices of Dogs and Parts....Heres an example....
1. K9 Passenger Seats: Most sells for 205 USD, Dealers pick up for 130 USD
2. Rocky Mountian exposed everyone on the tires! 229 for a 300series tire..that's shipped...

Nice Markup huh?

I said Bankers, not Banks... In other words, I had an investor in my area. He not only owns the H-D dealership here but also owns 480 Wendy's franchises along with a few hotels. Money is no issue for him but not a damn fool and we could see BDM was having some problems. I did do my homework, that's why we never opened dumb ass. As far as the markup on parts go, that's normal for any dealer, Import or American. Parts and clothing are marked up 35-40%. That's normal.
Everything extra cost more. Chrome, Special paint, California emissions, EFI, color of frame..ect.

Base Price Dealer: MSRP:

Coyote $20,400 $23,900
Pitbull $22,900 $26,900
Mastiff $23,650 $27,900
Wolf $30,400 $35,900
K-9 $24,400 $28,900
Ridgeback $23,250 $27,500
Chrome Upgrade $1,675 $2000
EFI $1,675 $2000
CA Emissions $600-$880 $750-$1100

Did anyone put a gun to your buddys head and tell him to pay the $40k? If you were aware of the markups you should have contacted BDM and told them about the dealership.

 

[MIAMIVICE]

I said Bankers, not Banks... In other words, I had an investor in my area. He not only owns the H-D dealership here but also owns 480 Wendy's franchises along with a few hotels. Money is no issue for him but not a damn fool and we could see BDM was having some problems. I did do my homework, that's why we never opened dumb ass. As far as the markup on parts go, that's normal for any dealer, Import or American. Parts and clothing are marked up 35-40%. That's normal.
Everything extra cost more. Chrome, Special paint, California emissions, EFI, color of frame..ect.

Base Price Dealer: MSRP:

Coyote $20,400 $23,900
Pitbull $22,900 $26,900
Mastiff $23,650 $27,900
Wolf $30,400 $35,900
K-9 $24,400 $28,900
Ridgeback $23,250 $27,500
Chrome Upgrade $1,675 $2000
EFI $1,675 $2000
CA Emissions $600-$880 $750-$1100

Did anyone put a gun to your buddys head and tell him to pay the $40k? If you were aware of the markups you should have contacted BDM and told them about the dealership.

Just ask Strokers the real price, cause they got the best Dealer rates in the Nation...You are way off...:down:

 

[bigdogtech01]

Just ask Strokers the real price, cause they got the best Dealer rates in the Nation...You are way off...:down:

Ummm Ok :loony:

 

[Vegas]

What does the mark up from the peak of the market have to do with Big Dog's demise? They couldn't sell them at MSRP in the past few years. The low resale value, lack of home equity, and unemployment are to blame. 30k bikes just don't jive with our economy. That ship has sailed and it's not coming back anytime soon.

 

[KnotSo]

BDM is closed.
Absolutely no good comes from berating a company that is out of business

Whatever happened prior to this is history.

Time to move into the present, lets ride.

 

[bigdogtech01]

BDM is closed.
Absolutely no good comes from berating a company that is out of business

Whatever happened prior to this is history.

Time to move into the present, lets ride.

Agree!!! and that's what I'm going to o right now

 

[machete]

Since you know everything, how would you explain a 40k plus Big Dog? Some folks paid over 40k from Dealers....Especially, if they "Special Ordered" it....What's so special to pick your choice of color and chrome parts thats already polished? Its not like you cold upgrade the Engine, or it had some special Controls...No, they all are the same...My 22k Dog runs the same as my Buddy's 40K Dog...Only thing is he "Ordered" it...That's when the Devil (Dealers) added their taxes... Trust me, I been to the factory and talk to some folks...All the bikes are less than 18k to manufacture and they leave the factory at about 25K or less....You wouldnt have been successful in Selling Big Dogs, cause you havent did any home work...Banks?...Oh BTW, they was gonna screw you too...

In the end, my Dealer came clean about the prices of Dogs and Parts....Heres an example....
1. K9 Passenger Seats: Most sells for 205 USD, Dealers pick up for 130 USD
2. Rocky Mountian exposed everyone on the tires! 229 for a 300series tire..that's shipped...

Nice Markup huh?

Now you're crossing the line into hypocrisy. This is a free market. That means that sellers can sell at any price the market accepts. If prices are too high, the market responds accordingly. When there is perceived value, the market responds accordingly.

To suggest that dealers are the underlying cause of BDM's demise is unsophisticated thinking to put it kindly.

Now, you're criticizing the dealer because you or your friend paid a "markup" on seats or parts or whatever.

Question: Who's the idiot? The dealer for getting their asking prices? Or you for paying it?

Your welcome.

 

[bigdogtech01]

Now you're crossing the line into hypocrisy. This is a free market. That means that sellers can sell at any price the market accepts. If prices are too high, the market responds accordingly. When there is perceived value, the market responds accordingly.

To suggest that dealers are the underlying cause of BDM's demise is unsophisticated thinking to put it kindly.

Now, you're criticizing the dealer because you or your friend paid a "markup" on seats or parts or whatever.

Question: Who's the idiot? The dealer for getting their asking prices? Or you for paying it?

Your welcome.

:iagree::iagree::iagree: Well Said.

 

[Mad Dog]

BDM is closed.
Absolutely no good comes from berating a company that is out of business

Whatever happened prior to this is history.

Time to move into the present, lets ride.

 

[REMorris]

Believe or not, some may say the Dealers drove BDM under...How did they do it? They bought bikes from BDM and jacked the price up 15K...Economy hit and couldnt move them that fast so they sat on them until they could get rid of them, then never bought more bikes...The Dealers didnt want to fix small stuff and when they did, they charged BDM labor...sometimes for no reason...BDM was the cash cow of the Dealers and now, they need to find another "Shiny" toy to jack the price up on...Look what Harley is doing now to prevent Dealership Mischief...They have set a universal MSRP....Harley Dealers cannot sell their bikes more than MSRP...

This asswipe isn't even a contributing member. I say get rid of him and let us rest. He is totally against BDM and what we have all built on this web-site.