Dealers forced BDM Under?

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MIAMIVICE

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Believe or not, some may say the Dealers drove BDM under...How did they do it? They bought bikes from BDM and jacked the price up 15K...Economy hit and couldnt move them that fast so they sat on them until they could get rid of them, then never bought more bikes...The Dealers didnt want to fix small stuff and when they did, they charged BDM labor...sometimes for no reason...BDM was the cash cow of the Dealers and now, they need to find another "Shiny" toy to jack the price up on...Look what Harley is doing now to prevent Dealership Mischief...They have set a universal MSRP....Harley Dealers cannot sell their bikes more than MSRP...:D
 

KnotSo

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How many threads are you gonna start and continue down this path with all the negativity??
 

shortfuse

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Good call knotso, take your negative crap BS elsewhere, we don't need it on the forums, if you don't have anything positive to post then stay the F### off here!
 

Jramion

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Negativity is part of the forum. As long as another forum member is not being attacked a person's opinion should be allowed to be stated.
To come up with a statement that doesn't really have any merit nor any facts to back it up is ridiculous to post. This would be an interesting thread if there were proof that that it was true.
But this thread never should have been started without any other facts to state.
 

PaulHart

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Negativity is part of the forum. As long as another forum member is not being attacked a person's opinion should be allowed to be stated.
To come up with a statement that doesn't really have any merit nor any facts to back it up is ridiculous to post. This would be an interesting thread if there were proof that that it was true.
But this thread never should have been started without any other facts to state.
:iagree:

Now back to more important threads like.

http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/alley/9578-tits-day-nws.html

Or

http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/d...g-puke-smell-out-my-couch.html?highlight=Puke
 

linx

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Dude, my dealer rocks and I know the personally. My dealer did not mark the bikes up $15k. They may have made a little off the top, but nothing like that. I did see them drop a Wolf towards the end about $5k, but they told me that's the lowest they could go and it was near cost.

Not all dealers do bad work...and I really doubt BDM would pay more than "book time" for any mechanical or warranty work. Any mechanic can tell you that "book time" is total bull. You may get paid an hour to do an oil change that takes you 10 minutes, or you could spend 4 hours changing a exhaust header on a car that calls for 30 minutes. Dealers/Mechanics take the good with the bad.

Big Dog is a premium product and brings a premium price. That's what sets me apart from the rest of the Harley monotony. There is NOTHING HD makes that even compares to a Big Dog...NOTHING. I would be more prone to buy a Fury or a Raider (yes a metric) before I bought a Harley and try to make it feel/handle like a Big Dog. I wish everyone would stop comparing the two because you have to have something comparable to make a comparison.

I didn't build my chopper b/c I wanted dealer support. Big Dog in business or not I have some local Big Dog experts now that I know can do anything I need to get done and know these bikes inside and out. To build my bike custom it would have cost the same price.

Get out and enjoy the ride.

I understand negativity is part of a forum, but it doesn't take long to read between the lines here.
 

K9Anniv

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All Big Dog Motorcycles Drivetrain Service Parts Available Directly From Baker at Cyril Huze Blog

Baker and S&S are still up and running at least, and we've got other sources for EHC (Wire Plus), speedo (Dakota Digital), headlights (Headwinds, etc), mirrors (many retailers), seats (many retailers), ETC, ETC... and as long as you've got a good dealer you trust to do major service on your bike, all is well!

As sad as it is that our beloved bike company has gone under.....WE WILL SURVIVE!!! :yesnod: :2thumbs::whoop:
 

chacha

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Pretty sure BDM did have MSRP statements on their handouts and website. Too bad the website's not working this morning.....
 

K9Anniv

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Pretty sure BDM did have MSRP statements on their handouts and website. Too bad the website's not working this morning.....
I thought their website being down this a.m. was kinda strange as well! :loony:
I wonder what's next??? :confused:
 

Diesel

Big Daddy Kool
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Not sure the dealers had much to do with it at all...


Intrust Bank foreclosed on the company at 1520 E. Douglas on Wednesday, and now owns the company's remaining assets. Founder Sheldon Coleman Jr. has dissolved the corporation.
Coleman has formed BDM Performance Products and is bringing over the 22 remaining Big Dog employees, said Mike Simmons, the new company's president.
The company will supply parts, accessories and gear for the more than 25,000 Big Dog motorcycles. The operation will be based in Big Dog's former service and research and development buildings and the former Johnstone Supply building, just east of downtown.
Simmons said the move will happen as soon as possible, but could take weeks, he said.
The company informed many of its dealers this week that it is shutting down.
Big Dog Motorcycles of Tampa dealer William "Tank" Sherman said his biggest concern was whether the company would honor the warranty claims of Big Dog dealers and customers.
The answer, Simmons said, is no. Big Dog Motorcycles has dissolved, along with any claims and debts.
While there have been some hard feelings as business has soured, he said, the company hasn't ruined its relationship with its dealers.
"We've been up front about the business and more than fair with our (dealer) network," he said.
It's been a crushing finale for a company that rode the spectacular rise of the housing boom.
Coleman — heir and once CEO of the Coleman Co. —started customizing Harleys in his garage in 1994. He quickly moved into production, selling 100 by 1996.
The market seemed insatiable. The company saw its annual growth rate hit as high as 80 percent.
In 2005, at the height of its popularity, the company built more than 5,000 bikes, had more than 300 workers and more than $120 million in revenue.
That year it held its first Tornado Rally, which brought thousands of Big Dog aficionados to Wichita. Coleman bought 106 acres on Greenwich Road with the expectation of possible expansion.
The housing and credit booms created tremendous windfalls for homeowners and homebuilders. Luxuries suddenly became affordable — or at least could be financed — and those included the $30,000 to $40,000 gleaming, stylish, powerful V-twin rockets made by Big Dog.
The models often were bought by men in their 30s and 40s suddenly flush with cash who wanted something with more pizzazz than a Harley-Davidson.
Company officials once said that one of their key customers were the small building contractors so busy in Florida, California, Nevada and Arizona, where the housing boom and bust was most prevalent.
The first layoffs came in early 2007 after disappointing sales. Sales continued to drop and more layoffs followed. Coleman started borrowing to keep the operation running — but the slump was just too long and too deep.
When asked whether he thinks a Big Dog-like motorcycle manufacturing company would ever be resurrected, Simmons wasn't interested in speculating. The present is too complicated and painful.
"I can't predict the future," he said.


Read more: Big Dog Motorcycles is no more; Intrust forecloses | Wichita Eagle
 

jimizee028

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I thought their website being down this a.m. was kinda strange as well! :loony:
I wonder what's next??? :confused:
For real...to think I wanted to buy some stuff directly off that site.....you think its just a connection thing?:lol::roll::job:
 

machete

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Believe or not, some may say the Dealers drove BDM under...How did they do it? They bought bikes from BDM and jacked the price up 15K...Economy hit and couldnt move them that fast so they sat on them until they could get rid of them, then never bought more bikes...The Dealers didnt want to fix small stuff and when they did, they charged BDM labor...sometimes for no reason...BDM was the cash cow of the Dealers and now, they need to find another "Shiny" toy to jack the price up on...Look what Harley is doing now to prevent Dealership Mischief...They have set a universal MSRP....Harley Dealers cannot sell their bikes more than MSRP...:D
This theory is unfounded. In order for this to be true, every single BDM dealer had to collude in order to pull this off.

This is also a radically simplistic rationale for BDM's demise.

For your edumacation, read my thread "why this happened, what does it mean to me?"

As for fixing fault, that mentality is indicative of poor intellectual development.

Instead of fixing fault on the dealers or where ever, lets all focus on how to preserve these incredible bikes, the biker community, and helping each other out.

Focus on the solution, not who's at fault.

If it could happen to General Motors, it can happen to BDM. Only difference is Obama didnt bail BDM out.
 
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