Clutch Question

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awg

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I have adjusted the clutch according to the info posted here. My issue is, after I am done, the clutch lever grabs to soon. I hardly let out the lever and it's moving the bike. I have checked the lever for those plastic gizmo's that come off/loose? Seen that post on here. From what I can see it's OK. So my question is if I screw the rod in farther would that help? Or not screw it in as far? Would either way change the way the clutch grabs. O yea, it's a 2006 Pitbull. All original. Thanks for any help provided.
 

Mikeinjersey

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I have adjusted the clutch according to the info posted here. My issue is, after I am done, the clutch lever grabs to soon. I hardly let out the lever and it's moving the bike. I have checked the lever for those plastic gizmo's that come off/loose? Seen that post on here. From what I can see it's OK. So my question is if I screw the rod in farther would that help? Or not screw it in as far? Would either way change the way the clutch grabs. O yea, it's a 2006 Pitbull. All original. Thanks for any help provided.
Give this adj procedure a try.
 

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Sven

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How to read lever feed when knowing when to adjust; how to read the feed buying a used bike:

1. Lever leaving the grip is considered correctly adjusted does the wheel begin to move. Plus, N is easy to find. That's a full clutch pack brand new, no wear. Consider this the brand new puppy with a 1/4 turn out, 1/6th [air gap at the lever and perch] before the cable is taught.

2. Lever from grip now, is moving farther away from the grip before the wheel moves. The level leaving farther away shows a wear factor. Look how far the lever moved out to hold all the warn plates away from each other before it grips all the plates back. Say wheel engagement is almost at the perch for really worn plates, to half the throw of the lever before the wheel moves.

3. If anything, you want the lever to move the wheel at the grip. Why? The sooner those plates lockup, the less wear of it spinning, you moving the lever way down the street before it locks up, rather than right now where it is. The question to yourself is:
a. Can I find N right now? Yes. Then that means no warp plate still touching that narrow throw; new or used.
b. Won't slip no matter how hard out the gate is the quick lever release, meaning full engagement. Yes.
c. Won't slip at top end speeds flat out all she wrote getting there. Yes.

Screw settings:

|. Screw turn an 1/8th out: Rod sends the pressure plate way out there at the farthest throw. Ramp angle degree is shorter. Drag race setting. Find N right now.
||. Screw turn 1/4 turn out: Rod has the more or less ideal setting to throw far enough to find N, lever leave at the grip, race, etc.
|||. Screw turn 1/2 out: Rod's ramp has to move out farther. The lever is going to move out more before engages [just to take up more ramp angle], whereas the other two throw angles are the shorter lever engagement. Now it's a so-so throw finding N when it wears, or this wide gap needs more adjustment sooner finding N, stopping creep, meaning.

Make sense?
 

Mickmorris

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Once you feel the rod make contact with the throw out bearing, back it off 1/8 to 1/4 turn. You have the rod backed out too far.
Hey Good Morning. Just curious if you have ever had to change your clutch pack on your open primary? If so at what mileage? Thx
 

Mickmorris

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I have not changed my clutch pack, do have a new set sitting on the shelf. Had my clutch apart at the start of winter and still looks good, currently has over 10k miles on it.
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Thank You. I am having trouble getting my clutch set also. Have done every possible adjustment at the clutch adjustment bolt from 1/2 turn back to 1/4 & so on. Pulled the pressure plate on the TF-1000 & the plates & fibers. Very dirty in the clutch basket. Blew it all out and cleaned up the plates/ fibers. Ordered a new set of both but was thinking of putting it back together with the old ones to see if cleanout of the basket would take care of the problem. Not sure how many miles on the bike. New speedo shows near 5000. I guess I would like to know what you would do. Appreciate ya!
 

Jwooky

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Backing off a 1/4 is too much IMO. You only need enough clearance to account for the expansion of the rod from the heat so it doesn’t expand load up the throughout bearing and start to depress the clutch.

1/8, even 1/16 or so is what I prefer.

If you pull on the cable to check for free play at the lever you can get that super tight too.
 

Mickmorris

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Backing off a 1/4 is too much IMO. You only need enough clearance to account for the expansion of the rod from the heat so it doesn’t expand load up the throughout bearing and start to depress the clutch.

1/8, even 1/16 or so is what I prefer.

If you pull on the cable to check for free play at the lever you can get that super tight too.
Yes thx. I tried it back to zero or basically as soon as it touched. Still had movement when pulling in the clutch when on the lift in 1st. Was just wanting to see if bdm7250/( Doug I believe) ever had a issue with his open due to the basket & clutch pack being dirty and causing a issue with the clutch slipping.
 

awg

Guru
What Clutch? Stock or aftermarket?
Did you change from 12plate to 9 plate?
Did you put an easy pull ramp in the system?
How old is the clutch?
Stock everything. Clutch is original, as far as I know. Bought the bike off a guy who needed to sell. He wasn't very mechanilly inclined. So I doubt he changed anything.
 

Jwooky

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Yes thx. I tried it back to zero or basically as soon as it touched. Still had movement when pulling in the clutch when on the lift in 1st. Was just wanting to see if bdm7250/( Doug I believe) ever had a issue with his open due to the basket & clutch pack being dirty and causing a issue with the clutch slipping.
What do you mean “still had movement “?
 

Mickmorris

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Will try that next. Looks like a different way to adjust. Thanks.
I think I will try that also awg! Sorry for jumping into your thread. But looks like we are both working on the same problem! Good luck getting it figured out Brother! :cheers: :chopper:
 

Mikeinjersey

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That adj is complements of mjsk9. I hope it works for you guys. He said the author of this adjustment procedure was from a Big Dog factory trained mechanic.
 
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