ray, gas, blitz; appreciate all the info. like was sead in a different post, "like father like son", it seems more like "like son like father". it took me a few days but with a little help from shane (translated-he did it all) the old pipes are gone from my dog also. it looks like a big f'ing storm is about to come through here so it may be a few days before i get to let the dog run to see how it's feeling.
later
ps: thanks again shane!!!