And the dog had been running so good

[BadBrad]

Rocky is on her way home. Haven't seen her in 6 day /nights. Doubt I'll get much done tonight......on the bike anyway. Do I need to pull both plugs? If so, one of them is under the oil line so it will have to come off. Thanks for the help guys. Hope this turns out to find the culprit. I hope all the shavings I saw were just normal wear and not something major hung up in there.

 

[Relic]

Just pull the inner plug. The oil line that is running over the top of it is just the case vent line. You can disconnect that line and you should not get any oil out of it.

P.S. Drain the oil tank before pulling the plug.

 

[BadBrad]

So, the main plug that I'm wanting to inspect is the taller of the two plugs (the one that is not under the oil line)? To me, the "inner" plug is the one under the oil line. One is short, one is tall. Which one is the one I need to look in?

 

[Relic]

You want the "inner short" plug that is under the oil line.

One other thing, before you drain the oil tank, take the line that is over the "short" plug loose (it's running into the case). If you get oil coming out that line, you may have an oil tank problem (it's rare).

 

[Little-Boo]

This may not be your pump, but its close to it.

I think the S & S instruction manual has a good picture of the pump, but I am not home until tomorrow night.


Carlos

 

[BadBrad]

This may not be your pump, but its close to it.

I think the S & S instruction manual has a good picture of the pump, but I am not home until tomorrow night.


Carlos

Thanks Carlos. That doesn't look too bad and I think I do see a couple of "dots" on the gears that would show where to line up from your picture. Hopefully, I'll be able to clean out the plugs, change the oil filter and inspect the rocker box gaskets and get this puppy back on the road.

 

[john sachs]

Using Boo's picture, the plug (lower 1) on the left is the ONLY 1 you need to remove. :up:
Take out light spring, get a magnet, and pull out ball without dropping it. If all looks good(no contamination around the hole in the pump) then put ball, spring, and cap, back.
Fill tank to within a half quart of where it's supposed to be. Start motor, check oil pressure, run motor, and be sure oil tank gets warm.(you can look in tank after it's running, to see if oil is circulating). This could be messy, so don't rev it . If oil/tank gets warm, then the scavange side of the pump is working. DON'T worry about the dots on the pump gears at this time.
If you have been letting the bike sit for several days, and then checked your oil, only to find it low, and you added a little each time, you may have way overfilled the tank to the point that the pump and case/tank capacity was overwhelemed. :bang:
Other areas to check if above seems ok would be the breather bore in the case, and rocker box gaskets.
John
Whenever you let a bike sit ,run it for 30 seconds before checking the oil.

 

[BadBrad]

Using Boo's picture, the plug (lower 1) on the left is the ONLY 1 you need to remove. :up:
Take out light spring, get a magnet, and pull out ball without dropping it. If all looks good(no contamination around the hole in the pump) then put ball, spring, and cap, back.
Fill tank to within a half quart of where it's supposed to be. Start motor, check oil pressure, run motor, and be sure oil tank gets warm.(you can look in tank after it's running, to see if oil is circulating). This could be messy, so don't rev it . If oil/tank gets warm, then the scavange side of the pump is working. DON'T worry about the dots on the pump gears at this time.
If you have been letting the bike sit for several days, and then checked your oil, only to find it low, and you added a little each time, you may have way overfilled the tank to the point that the pump and case/tank capacity was overwhelemed. :bang:
Other areas to check if above seems ok would be the breather bore in the case, and rocker box gaskets.
John
Whenever you let a bike sit ,run it for 30 seconds before checking the oil.

Thanks John. I'll pull the plug, spring and ball and inspect this afternoon. I've never drained the sump in the 3 years I've had the bike. What a dumbass! Live and learn. Hopefully, this will be an easy fix and I'll know to drain the sump with every oil change. Damn! I've never drained Rocky's sump on her Mastiff either. Better do that too. I just changed oil in both bikes too.

 

[toodie]

There are a lot of references to the sump in this thread? Forgive my ignorance but should I worry about draining the sump? My last oil change I used the scavenger tool to change oil would this alleviate the need to drain the sump? No issues as far as I know just want to stay informed. thanks

Good info by the way hope you get it straight Brad

 

[wyatt580]

Brad you don't want to drain the case when doing oil change. to easy to fuck up threads on lower case..that is why everyone uses or runs the oil out the oil filter after putting in new oil..you run bike with filter off and have something to collect the oil until new oil comes out..then top off oil bag...

 

[toodie]

Brad you don't want to drain the case when doing oil change. to easy to fuck up threads on lower case..that is why everyone uses or runs the oil out the oil filter after putting in new oil..you run bike with filter off and have something to collect the oil until new oil comes out..then top off oil bag...

Thanks Bill! Love this site!

 

[BadBrad]

Brad you don't want to drain the case when doing oil change. to easy to fuck up threads on lower case..that is why everyone uses or runs the oil out the oil filter after putting in new oil..you run bike with filter off and have something to collect the oil until new oil comes out..then top off oil bag...

I've heard from a couple of folks that those threads on the bottom case are easy to screw up. Strange that S&S wouldn't put something there a little heavier duty. But thanks for the tip!

 

[Five Five]

Shhhhhh ! you might want to read a post regarding the same issue on the other forum ...seems they have determined the problem....

:2thumbs:
"five"

 

[erldawg]

Shhhhhh ! you might want to read a post regarding the same issue on the other forum ...seems they have determined the problem....

:2thumbs:
"five"

55 - linky please I looked and looked and did not find...

 

[Five Five]

55 - linky please I looked and looked and did not find...

PM sent :up:

 

[erldawg]

PM sent :up:

Got it... thanks I'll take a look in the meantime here's a oil pump view.

 

[BadBrad]

Thanks Earl. That's what I'm talking about. Damn near good as porn! I'll be sure to save that pic for future reference. Would you happen to have the sheet that shows what each numbered part is called? Just want a little icing on my cake. Thanks

 

[Brew]

Damn Brad, you want your cake and eat it too? Here ya go bro, hope you find the issue:

 

[BadBrad]

Thanks Rob. I'm so bad about making up names for shit I'm working and then no one knows what the hell I'm talking about when I try to explain a problem. The list makes me sound smart.

 

[BadBrad]

Ok. I removed the ball from the check valve and everything looked clean. No contamination seen. I had to use the tip of a towel to dip in the hole to remove the oil that was standing. I guess I should ask, should oil be standing in the check valve after I remove the ball? I took a magnet and swirled around to make sure no metal was sitting in the bottom and it came out clean. I'm filling the oil tank (minus 1/2 quart) and check the scavenger pump and hoping for the best.