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gabe

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I think you over thought this one and made it more complicated than necessassary.
Installing the Thunderheart is a total rewire. If you installed it like the instructions, you no longer had higher amps going to the key switch. The Thunderheart is like the ’05 up BDM’s in that it uses low current signals to turn on internal relays to actually power stuff. Look at the diagrams, all switches go back to the Thunderheart, and power to all lights and other electrical loads come from the Thunderheart. More specifically, all wires to the key switch go back to the Thunderheart, regardless if you have a two wire or three wire key switch.
You already have the better (higher amp rated) switch, it will handle the lower current.


In my personal opinion, not really.
Heat does kill electronics, and it could be the culprit behind some dead EHC’s, but I doubt that it is being transferred from the coil area to the EHC by the wires, more likely it just comes from hot air from the engine. Heat makes wires have less resistance and then they can carry more Voltage, So if you have a load that is already trying to draw more Voltage than it can get, then you get thermal run-away; the wire heats up which allows it to pass more Volts/Amps, which heats up the wire more, which allows it to pass more Volts/Amps, see where this is going? But if you don’t have a load trying to draw more power, then what happens is that your Voltage does increase and your Amps actually decreases because of it. In the words of Sven “simple, no?”

But our Scooters just don’t use many amps to necessitate the heavy wire. He was right about low voltage wiring needing to be thicker and have thicker insulation, but only for carrying the same Watts. If the current (Amps) were the same then the wire would be practically the same size. The biggest load on our EHC should be the headlight, which is legally limited to 60 Watts (I think). Using the Watt formula of A=W/V, we get 5 Amps. Remember how small a 12 Volt,5 Amp fuse is? I think every wire on my scoot will carry 5 Amps. If we use his example of 460 Volts, for the same 60 Watts we get a little more than a quarter Amp (0.130435). So current (Amps) is the limiting factor, not power (Watts), and our scoots just don't use much (except for starting).
I know who I'm calling if I need to rewire my bike :cheers:
 

bigdogtech01

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There actually were no "Personal" jabs at any one person till now. No names were mentioned in my comment. Only a factual statement that was directed towards all who are lying, covering up this nightmare, and only looking out for themselves!!! It's sad that several people, (not just one) would rather make $$ off this than to actually help the members.
If a statement like this can't be of public knowledge and needs to remain over PM, I want nothing more to do with this forum.
This forum was created to help others with big dogs correct? It was created to give knowledge and facts for big dogs correct? Including a section for dealerships of good and bad correct? Well, I'm giving all the above and if that is not allowed anymore...see ya!! :hi:
 

BadDawg Bill

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There actually were no "Personal" jabs at any one person till now. No names were mentioned in my comment. Only a factual statement that was directed towards all who are lying, covering up this nightmare, and only looking out for themselves!!! It's sad that several people, (not just one) would rather make $$ off this than to actually help the members.
If a statement like this can't be of public knowledge and needs to remain over PM, I want nothing more to do with this forum.
This forum was created to help others with big dogs correct? It was created to give knowledge and facts for big dogs correct? Including a section for dealerships of good and bad correct? Well, I'm giving all the above and if that is not allowed anymore...see ya!! :hi:

As I said before, we may have our differences and that can be a good thing but this forum should not be just one sided. If it is then no one benefits and I'm gone too. I came to learn about my new BD bike and stuck around to help others.

Curtis has his WP and R.I.P. systems. BigDogtech has his org ECH and I have my rewire Harley old school. Who's to say one is right or one is wrong for "everyone". As long as we can discuss all of the options then we can make informed decisions.

I had a problem with WP and Big dog tech had a problem with RIP so we stated our facts and let everyone decide what they want to believe in or buy. We can't just shove our own beliefs down everyone's throats and say "this is the only way" or this "is the next best thing since pussy" and want everyone else to follow us blind down that long winding road... I think some people need to just let it go and have an open discussion.

I'm glad BigDogtech told us about the RIP system because now maybe they will produce some decent directions and tighten up their product all for the better. I for one can't believe they had no problems with a brand new product and I'm not buying it. Lie to me now and you will lie to me later. I would have rather read an honest "we fucked up" response than you are a lair. Bigdog tech is well respected here and so should be given the respect he deserves.
 
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I've heard all three sides of the Sweden story and all of the truth is not being told.
I speak regularly with the others involved in that situation both overseas and here and they all counter most of what your saying.
Oh that's right they are all liars and only you are telling the truth. Come on man really!

Your claims of others only being on this site to make money may be true in some cases but it doesn't make it truth just because you say it is the unequivocal truth.

I have no reason to back down from backing the RIP kit or making profit from selling it. My personal experience with the kit and the customers I have sold the kits to has been good, with simple installations and a couple of minor issues that were easily addressed and resolved.

You have the right to voice your opinion most certainly and I would be amiss to see anyone denied that but that leaves the door open for others to have the right to counter those attacks.
I won't sit idly by while someone who seems to be on some type of personal vendetta goes postal.

I have developed a lot of respect for you in my time here Andrew but I think your way out of line here. You have yet to respond to my previous questions regarding additional experience with the RIP kits or any of KMW's motorcycles. You just keep digressing back to Sweden and the incredible nightmare you had there. Okay it was a bad situation and everyone was left a little, in your case it seems a lot, sore over it but geez I think that's old news and far to much has occurred since then that is positive.

Like I said before there are some who would happily do their own rewire. So why don't you do them a favor and do a free write up on how to do that so they don't get ripped off by all the money hungry bastards out there. Oh yeah I forgot it was you that made the statement before that you felt you were being taken advantage of on the site so you were cutting back your free services.
 
I'm with you on this point 100% Bill
"Cain't we all just get along"

Damn I am so over this thread it ain't funny

Goodbye

As I said before, we may have our differences and that can be a good thing but this forum should not be just one sided. If it is then no one benefits and I'm gone too. I came to learn about my new BD bike and stuck around to help others.

Curtis has his WP and R.I.P. systems. BigDogtech has his org ECH and I have my rewire Harley old school. Who's to say one is right or one is wrong for "everyone". As long as we can discuss all of the options then we can make informed decisions.

I had a problem with WP and Big dog tech had a problem with RIP so we stated our facts and let everyone decide what they want to believe in or buy. We can't just shove our own beliefs down everyone's throats and say "this is the only way" or this "is the next best thing since pussy" and want everyone else to follow us blind down that long winding road... I think some people need to just let it go and have an open discussion.
 

bigdogtech01

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I've heard all three sides of the Sweden story and all of the truth is not being told.
I speak regularly with the others involved in that situation both overseas and here and they all counter most of what your saying.
Oh that's right they are all liars and only you are telling the truth. Come on man really!
The ONLY one in Sweden who I have said did me wrong was Dragan!! No one else!! And what do you mean all the truth is not being told?? No one from Sweden has given a statement because I believe they don't want to make enemies with anyone. That does not mean I'm making this up!! What would I have to gain in that Curtis??
As far as answering your questions, no I have not worked on any KMW bikes because there was and has been only ONE sold here in the US...hello!! You have it in your garage now working on it. He purchased it brand new how many months ago and has only been out on it twice due to the fact it will not stay running :confused: Why has Raywood not replied to this??
And as far as you knowing more about BDM's than I?? :roll::roll:
Who has helped you numerous times with getting the correct parts to sell?
A machinist who happens to own a Big dog? I have been repairing them for the last 9 years for customers and currently work on them almost every day....but you know more about them than I?
And yes the Sweden thing is old news (2 months) but that does not mean people should be left in the dark about the real problems.
 

skidmark racing

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Personal jabs should be taken to PM :up:
I disagree. BB Chopper called me a "shit stick" on the public forum. He also told me to "shut the fuck up." Then he posted a photoshopped picture of one of my bikes, referencing another derogatory term. I bet if he sent me a PM, he would be really, really mean to me.
I still think you ought to ban him.
 

Rex Winters

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Soooo....I guess I am the only one with a PDM now?
I think the forum should be open to these conversations to let people decide their own fate.
The only thing that hasnt been addressed (and an attempt at correcting) was the bad customer service from techs at KMW. If the owner wants to know about problems...this is it. I have no experience with them, but most people agree they are rude and talk down to you. Fix that, and even with problems, you will sell a lot more products.
 

Splitlog

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I have the upmost respect for Andrew and Curtis. They have both taken great care of me and have went above and beyond my expectations.
The only thing I can comment on is Wire Plus. I went through "5" yes "5" EHCs in 2 years and had no aftermarket electrical items. I have now had my Wire Plus for 5 years and have had NO problems with it. The customer service at Wire Plus was/is top notch.

Again my hat is off to both Curtis and Andrew.
Lets get a bashing game with SVEN. lol
 

bigdogtech01

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I have the upmost respect for Andrew and Curtis. They have both taken great care of me and have went above and beyond my expectations.
The only thing I can comment on is Wire Plus. I went through "5" yes "5" EHCs in 2 years and had no aftermarket electrical items. I have now had my Wire Plus for 5 years and have had NO problems with it. The customer service at Wire Plus was/is top notch.

Again my hat is off to both Curtis and Andrew.
Lets get a bashing game with SVEN. lol
Haha, ah yes SVEN :lol:
If you had that many EHC's go bad, and 0 problems with the WP...one would wonder if maybe there was a connection problem or short that was fixed while performing install of the WP :confused: Just a thought. I personally have seen more problems with WP than EHC...but, that's just me. I wonder how many EHC's are still being used out of all the 04-up BDM's out there? And how many WP units are still in use?
 

Th3InfamousI

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I recall previously we had a gentleman on here that did work with small electronics as a hobby and interest. He had posted the spec sheets for the EHC parts and a good portion of them specifically stated that they should not be "potted". Considering the spec sheets for the parts state they shouldn't be potted, but were potted anyways by BDM. I would consider that a design flaw by the electrical engineers with the design. While the design was reasonable the parts used didn't fit the design as most would hope.

I think with that in mind it is generally just a waiting game until the heat finally gets to the EHC, similiar to all electronics including TV's, Stereo Receivers, etc.

I don't think there is a single solution to the pollution, we just have options. At the end of the day its personal preference on which path you shall choose. I think this thread has done a good job of getting information out to the general public which is why we are all here.

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We've been installing Wire Plus units for years and haven't had a single failure.
The only failure we've seen (1) was installed by someone else, and it looked like a rats nest, with the modules just dangling loose, and shitty crimps everywhere. The customer service has always been top notch for us. We've used the Thunderheart Micro-Harness Controllers on all of our customs for quite a while, and we haven't had any problems with them either. We just never thought about using them as an EHC replacement for Big Dogs. Andrew was the first person that I know of to do it, and I learned of it from this forum.
The only thing that cracks me up is KMW trying to pass it off as some kind of propiatary thing they invented. C.A.Jones V-Twin | Custom Builds, Parts & Service
 

mastiffdave

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I have the upmost respect for Andrew and Curtis. They have both taken great care of me and have went above and beyond my expectations.
The only thing I can comment on is Wire Plus. I went through "5" yes "5" EHCs in 2 years and had no aftermarket electrical items. I have now had my Wire Plus for 5 years and have had NO problems with it. The customer service at Wire Plus was/is top notch.

Again my hat is off to both Curtis and Andrew.
Lets get a bashing game with SVEN. lol
That's funny stuff !!!! X2 on Curtis and Andrew, you are both top notch in my book . Hey!!!!!!!!!! Anyone still waiting on a Krapata ? I mean a Karata. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

johnle712

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This thread is getting very personal in the last two page. I think we should close it and let everyone cool off.
 

BWG56

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I disagree. BB Chopper called me a "shit stick" on the public forum. He also told me to "shut the fuck up." Then he posted a photoshopped picture of one of my bikes, referencing another derogatory term. I bet if he sent me a PM, he would be really, really mean to me.
I still think you ought to ban him.
:roll::roll:You guys need to take a deep breath and let this name calling go:roll::roll:

since you are the original poster, is that what you want??????????
I needed to respond quickly before you close this about the 2 guys above:nopity:
 

JWScarab

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I once knew a guy who always said.....

"Why cant we all just get along.....and do it my way?"

Sorry guys - just trying to lighten things up!! :cheers:
 
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