clutch adjustment

Energy One
adjusted the clutch 3 times and I am still getting a little creeping with clutch fully engaged. You can hear the plates touching, anyone have solutions

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Jwooky

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Best I can give is to make the slack as small as possible. Do not use 1/4 turn on pushrod, try an 1/8 or slightly less.

Same with cable. Pull the cable then lever at the same time and rock and and forth to see have much slack you have there. Minimize it without preloading it
 

Jersey Big Mike

100K mile club
adjusted the clutch 3 times and I am still getting a little creeping with clutch fully engaged. You can hear the plates touching, anyone have solutions

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Is this a new clutch? If an old clutch, how many miles on it? Why did you start adjusting?
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
What wooky said. Pull the plates. Stack the steels on top of each other, then hold that stack in your palm. Look for a warp plate that is not flat. In other words, no daylight. All it takes is one warp steel. It drags with a full pull even with an 1/8th out at the adj screw.
 

willywill4765

Active Member
Is this a new clutch? If an old clutch, how many miles on it? Why did you start adjusting?
No it's the same clutch I've had on the bike it's just been creeping a little bit more than it used to, hard to find neutral. I'll readjust it tomorrow with only an eighth of a turn right now I've got about a half a turn in it

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willywill4765

Active Member
Best I can give is to make the slack as small as possible. Do not use 1/4 turn on pushrod, try an 1/8 or slightly less.

Same with cable. Pull the cable then lever at the same time and rock and and forth to see have much slack you have there. Minimize it without preloading it
Not sure what you're talking about pull the cable and the lever and rock back and forth,. I'll try to pull on the lever and the cable tomorrow and see if I can figure out what you're talking about.

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mjsk9

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This doesn't help the clutch situation but are you using 2 different accounts in this thread or has it been hijacked? Not sure who we are responding to?

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willywill4765

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This doesn't help the clutch situation but are you using 2 different accounts in this thread or has it been hijacked? Not sure who we are responding to?

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Yeah that's weird I never noticed that not sure how I got two accounts unless I couldn't get it on one of my computers and then I did a reset or something. Either way they're both me I guess I'll get rid of the one that is used less so there's no confusion. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

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woodbutcher

Mr. Old Fart member #145
Staff member
when you get ready to adjust it again, pull out the clutch pushrod and inspect the tip that makes contact with the throw-out bearing to see if it has wear showing. that rod is case-hardened and once the hardening begins to wear, it goes away quickly., and no adjusting will help. it will need to be replaced.
 

Jwooky

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Not sure what you're talking about pull the cable and the lever and rock back and forth,. I'll try to pull on the lever and the cable tomorrow and see if I can figure out what you're talking about.

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If you just pull the lever, and adjust to 1/8” play, you will end up with about twice that.

if you pull on the cable, before you squeeze the lever, it will remove the slack and you will get a finer adjustment. Try and you will see what I mean.
 

Jwooky

Well-Known Member
when you get ready to adjust it again, pull out the clutch pushrod and inspect the tip that makes contact with the throw-out bearing to see if it has wear showing. that rod is case-hardened and once the hardening begins to wear, it goes away quickly., and no adjusting will help. it will need to be replaced.
Good advise.
 

Mr. Wright

Knows some things
If this is your original clutch, it may be just wore out. Pull all the clutch pack out and measure it. Minimum height is 1.960. If you don't have a set of calipers, Harbor freight has a cheap set that will work.
 

mjsk9

Well-Known Member
This clutch adjustment procedure worked for me and many others..... Might want to give it a try before tearing it apart?

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Sven

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My 2c. I think he took too much off to hand push the rod? Either way, fuck that way. Then again, your bike. For a better word, call this the 'center cable spreader'. The whole point of this is to send the ramp home with a loose cable, at the set screw:

1. Say you have the 1/16" gap at the clutch lever to perch [switch assembly for a better word at that area's gap], and you shorten the spreader so the lever gap is half way to the lever. Step one to this point.

2. Pull the lever to the grip and let go. That's about all she wrote is enough slack, enough tension; to send the ramp home, where you don't have to kind of have to hide the threads into the spreader for a wider gap where the lever falls onto the grip. the cable drops out of the spreader sort of, maybe.

3. Get it? That's the whole point is to home the ramp at the grip; lightly seat because that's all she wrote>> out a 1/4; spreader sets a lightly seated zero gap at the perch, try. Where you might get the loose belly of the cable to know the resistance starts at the 1/16th or less at the perch. Whereas, I run zero cable gap at the perch and have that puppy like a hair trigger... bust my ankle for N my ass.

What Mr. Wright said. But short of a brand new pack, this is for the quick pit kind of; have no time for thishit; you stack the steels and look for the gap/warp and change it out till zero gaps on the 360 degree look around and see. Same goes with the fibers is the pad inspection first. Burnt? Toss and replace. Then palm stack for warp with the used fibers. And if you really want to shadetree... the smooth garage floor is to; sanda floow... up/down, V8 style, who cares it's used shit.

Here's the down side taking material out. If it's a bunch of springs or a single wave plate, the wave has to be flat so the stack flattens the wave spring, not have a thinner pack, the wave concaves to a V or returns to memory; where too, the springs grow and lose that bite keeping so much spring pressure against the stack. Make sense?
 

Brent Herridge

Active Member
I finally got my new clutch cable installed. It all went pretty well. Lever does not have the slack it had a couple weeks ago.

It feels like it needs to disengage more. Neutral is impossible, and overall shifting is very clunky. For 3 consecutive adjustments this afternoon, I have tightened the rod about 1/2 a turn, while loosening the cable accordingly to its not too tight. All of those made effectively no difference.

There is still almost no slack in the lever, but clutch feel is about the same after each adjustment. The rod was pretty tight, so subsequent tightenings are still working, but there has been noticeable resistance for the last 2 or 3 adjustments (total of 1 to 1 1/2 turns of the pushrod).

?!?!?
 

Jwooky

Well-Known Member
FWIW, finding neutral idling on these has always been a problem. Mine (everything new) with close to zero slack is difficult. I have just gotten used to hitting neutral before I come to a stop or at least blip the throttle. I have the high force pressure plate which makes it even worse.
 

willywill4765

Active Member
That's what I've been doing for the last 4 years or 5 years however long I owned it, it seems now when I pull the clutch in I hear it rubbing like the plates are rubbing and that's why I figured I needed it adjusted.

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Billy the kid

Guru
Supporting Member
Here is how I adjust mine, works every time shifts like a smooth Honda lol. Loosen cable adjustment all the way, run the clutch adjustment pushrod all the way in until it stops with light drag and keep it there. Then tighten cable adjustment up until you have no play at the lever and tighten up the cable adjustment, then go back down to the pushrod and back it out 1/4 turn. That should do it.
 
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