Starter?

[RVH]

The new starter I purchased has the exact same problem as the old one. Is there some type of seal kit for these starters? If not, is there any aftermarket starter that will solve this problem? I dont think a new O-ring is going to fix the problem of oil getting inside the starter(as Fiber's breakdown shows on my other thread)

I know this is getting old (to me & ya'll) but there has to be an answer.

 

[woodbutcher]

only guaranteed fix is an open primary. :bang:

 

[Gas Man]

only guaranteed fix is an open primary. :bang:

Agreed

You will find many people have gone thru this many many times.

 

[Raywood]

RVH, how much oil you putting in your primary? I was with my dealers concurance running down to just 12 oz to see if it would slow the leakage. It did and without any harm to the clutch or primary chain.
I would ensure you are not overfilling the primary and then ask your dealer about using a lessor amount of oil.

Later,
Ray

 

[P8RIOT]

I was with my dealers concurance running down to just 12 oz to see if it would slow the leakage. It did and without any harm to the clutch or primary chain...

That's interesting - I wonder if our dealter is filling all our primaries using that smaller quantity.

 

[Fibersnake]

RVH,

See my last response on your original thread. There is a starter seal kit from BDM that is designed to correct the issue and put a seal in on the shaft, much like your tech was talking about.

BTW is you BD still under warranty?

Hopefully the info I put on the other post will help you.

 

[Fibersnake]

Raywood,

I concur that is interesting. I did check with my local and they are not running that low, thought is is lower that what the original O & M had in it going from the original 48oz to an even 32oz (quart).

 

[RVH]

Ray, I drained & refilled the primary with 20 ozs based on one of the threads I read on here. Did that before the new starter arrived and the new starter got saturated pretty darn quick. That leads me to believe that will not help but hopefully will lubricate everything ok. Thanks for the input.

Fiber, seen/responded and yes, it does help. If they dont want put me a new starter in, atleast I can go that route. Guess I should let them know I'm in the market for a K-9. Might give them a little incentive to help me out.

 

[mcdoc1969]

there was a shit load of issues with starter leaks.we were getting new starters and they were still leaking.the updated seal style starter had a green paint dot right next to the vent/drain hole @ 6 o-clock looking at the gear reduction unit from the exhaust side.those were the better ones!!

 

[RVH]

OK, took my dog to the dealer & going to pick it up tomorrow. They can bite me. Was first told the dog was under warranty being sold originally in Nov, 06 then for some reason the warranty was voided on the sale date. They are not going to help me with the starter......... Nobody, even Nelson knows anything about the seal kit that Fiber's dealer told me about(even though I have the part #)...... The good news, Accumax is standing behind my new starter and is sending me one that they have personally tested............

Thanks again to everyone for the help.

 

[Fibersnake]

Interesting about no one knowing about the seal kit. Can assure you as a few other on here will more than likely attest. Scott at Full House would know what he is talking about. When I called him, he even went through the PITA procedures of how to install it.

The BD dealer should be able to look up the P/N that FH gave you on the BDM Parts list on the Computer and it should give them the details.

Just out curosity what was the P/N? Possibly someone from Puppy Farm or one of the folks such as DraginH or RB could confirm and get more details.

Hope that the dealer gets it taken care of or Accutronix.

 

[RVH]

Yeah , im sure Scott knows what is what. Haven't heard back from Nelson. He was doing a little research into to it. Unless I misunderstood, the part # is 173-00000500 --- $9.99.

Brought the dog back home, put the original Accumax starter back on and have been ridin.(waiting on the replacement) Just have to keep an eye on the primary oil. Now when I park it and people ask me about it, I just tell them "its a Harley, cant you see the oil under it"

 

[Fibersnake]

RVH,

Thanks for the P/N hopefully it will allow others to cross ref and put them in the right direction.

Are you buying it from Nelson. If so was it due to FH not having in or not being to help you make an order and send?

Good luck and hopefully the new starter will hold up until you get it fixed perm.

 

[Davepick]

Yeah , im sure Scott knows what is what. Haven't heard back from Nelson. He was doing a little research into to it. Unless I misunderstood, the part # is 173-00000500 --- $9.99.

I wend to my dealer to try to order this using this part number and it did not show up in their system and they didnt know how else to find it so I emailed Big Dog and they said the part number is BDM120-00628 - i will try to order one of these later today and see if that works.

 

[WB Cycles]

That BDM120-00628 is just a single O-Ring ( $1.50 ) not a kit.

Still have NO idea where that other number came from

 

[Davepick]

OK, thanks Nelson, I will email Big Dog again and see if i cant get some more info.

 

[Willy Hank]

starter full of oil

I did not read the entire thread, so this may be repetative. I had the same problem, First you do not fill your oil with recomended amount any big dog servicer will tell you that. Second the issue as I found it was not in the bolt rings it was imperfections in the machining of the countersink for the bolt. more precisely (on my starter) they did not remove the machining burs from the c'sink (that should be a counterbore if you are using a rubber ring)and then chromed it all in forever. I tried all types of rubber rings and they all failed. so here is what i did, I put rubber rings in like they were and I then used High Heat RTV silcone sealant and gooped it up pretty well. did not worry about appearance as it can't be seen after install. You may want to check your bolt hole and if there are imperfection at the c'sink just hit it by hand with a 90 degree cutter. Make sure you clean out your starter with electrical wire cleaner (spray can) before you put it back together. again I only read your problem I did not read all the replys yet...

 

[RVH]

Scott at F.H. has the kits. (or atleast he did when I talked to him)I just didn't order one because Accumax is working with me on their starter. Matter of fact it's here and I'll install it after supper and update everyone tomorrow. Hope it does it cause Im ridin dis bitch to Helen Ga this weekend.

 

[Willy Hank]

I was under the same time constraint when I fixed my starter. I was leaving for an 800 mi trp the next day. I had a new starter at the service shop but it had the same machining issue.High Heat RTV worked for me and it has been a couple of thousand miles with still no leaks.

 

[RVH]

Thanks Willy. See where we posted at the same time. ....... I just got thru running the bike with the prototype starter. Ran it hard for about 15 miles and its cooled off for about 30 mins now. NOT A DROP of oil under the bike. Maybe this guy at Accumax has the right idea. I'm headed to the rally in Helen Ga friday morning and will update on monday.