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Energy One

Unsprung

In the Potters hand...
If the answer to the second question in my last post is yes ... then all you can do to protect the battery is put some type of secondary VR in line where that fuse (breaker) is before the battery.
Your main breaker/fuse should be located between the battery and VR. (My opinion is), a secondary VR is not possible but secondary fuse or breaker could be installed. I will install a second, smaller amped fuse between my EHC & power supply. If anyone thinks differently please chime in.
 

TapioK

Well-Known Member
My Bulldog ia a 2005. It has the 40amp fused breaker (below) is the newest one better protection or just more convenient because it's resettable. And I Take it these are only to protect the battery from the wire from the VR going to ground and does nothing to protect the battery from being over charged. Is that right ?
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Yes, I am afraid you are right. Over charging is bit difficult to prevent. Idiot light from Curtis lets you know if/when that happens. Luckily that does not burn everything to ashes in a seconds, but rather in days... Hence you do not need any overly complex system just to cause you more problems.


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chubs

Guru
If the answer to the second question in my last post is yes ... then all you can do to protect the battery is put some type of secondary VR in line where that fuse (breaker) is before the battery.
I'm NOT an electrician, but I think the fuse only protects against too much amps. It seems that you could put a 60 amp fuse in and it would blow even at 12 volts. Could the amps increase too much if the regulator messes up? I have no clue.
 

Vyper

Member
Guy's I really appreciate all the help, Im going to give up trying to understand this system. There are some really intelligent people in the field of electronics that have tackled this issue and Im sure if it could be improved beyond what is offered today ... it would be.
I'm going to start with a VR monitor, if it shows problems I will put a meter on the VR while it's showing problems. Yes, there will be a volt meter in the tool bag. I'm replacing the ESC anyway so I will go over every wire and repair or replace any needed.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Guy's I really appreciate all the help, Im going to give up trying to understand this system. There are some really intelligent people in the field of electronics that have tackled this issue and Im sure if it could be improved beyond what is offered today ... it would be.
I'm going to start with a VR monitor, if it shows problems I will put a meter on the VR while it's showing problems. Yes, there will be a volt meter in the tool bag. I'm replacing the ESC anyway so I will go over every wire and repair or replace any needed.
Please document it. It will be very helpful to others! :old2:

:cheers:
 

Unsprung

In the Potters hand...
Hey John, Thunderheart just called and told me my EHC was shot and has to be replaced along with VR and other parts. Time to spend so I'm out in the back yard shaking the money tree again and seems I forgot to water it. :nopity:
 

TapioK

Well-Known Member
Hey John, Thunderheart just called and told me my EHC was shot and has to be replaced along with VR and other parts. Time to spend so I'm out in the back yard shaking the money tree again and seems I forgot to water it. :nopity:
So what are you thinking of doing? You have 3 paths to chose of. Rip kit, Doc, or Old school . Been thinking which one I would take would I need to invest at least 500 anyway. Chrome in my controls starts pitting (great to live close to salty sea), hell, chrome in whole bike starts pitting!
So I would seriously consider old school, actually My friend in Finland is a electrical genius, he found a computer in such a simple thing as an chopper totally absurd idea. He will get new knees January and was thinking of drawing his thoughts of electrical system on paper then. Sure you will lose those pretty hand controls if going to 12 volt system...
I don't know.
If you want an unbiased opinion ask Bill


Tapio
 

Unsprung

In the Potters hand...
So what are you thinking of doing? You have 3 paths to chose of. Rip kit, Doc, or Old school . Been thinking which one I would take would I need to invest at least 500 anyway. Chrome in my controls starts pitting (great to live close to salty sea), hell, chrome in whole bike starts pitting!
So I would seriously consider old school, actually My friend in Finland is a electrical genius, he found a computer in such a simple thing as an chopper totally absurd idea. He will get new knees January and was thinking of drawing his thoughts of electrical system on paper then. Sure you will lose those pretty hand controls if going to 12 volt system...
I don't know.
If you want an unbiased opinion ask Bill


Tapio
The TH EHC worked pretty well until the voltage regulator fried it so I will go back with same. Thunderheart has offered me a nice deal on a new unit so now I need to replace the other damaged pieces.
 

Vyper

Member
The TH EHC worked pretty well until the voltage regulator fried it so I will go back with same. Thunderheart has offered me a nice deal on a new unit so now I need to replace the other damaged pieces.
That really sucks !!! What other parts did you lose ? And you say TH said your problem started at the VR. Did the say if the VR over charged the system or did it go to ground ?
Your earlier post you were talking fuses between the battery and EHC, I don't think that would work, but maybe the correct resistor.
 

Vyper

Member
Well, I got DOC's EHC wired in the bike and it looks like thats all I lost. I haven't fired it up yet but everything lights up and responds like it should. I need to put the tank back on when I get a little energy then start it and check the VR. The DOC's kit is one that would be hard to screw up on installing. Each wire set is lettered with a corresponding wire diagram that shows what that jst controls and even the color & number of wires coming out of the jst connector it hooks to. The wires are protected well. If you're worried you can't wire this "don't worry " follow the simple step by step instructions and you won't have any problem. It even comes with a separate set of instructions with tips for protecting each switch, light and connector on the bike. They returned or answered every call or email I sent, the same day I emailed or called. Hope this review helps some of you.
 
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francoblay1

The Spaniard
Well, I got DOC's EHC wired in the bike and it looks like thats all I lost. I haven't fired it up yet but everything lights up and responds like it should. I need to put the tank back on when I get a little energy then start it and check the VR. The DOC's kit is one that would be hard to screw up on installing. Each wire set is lettered with a corresponding wire diagram that shows what that jst controls and even the color & number of wires coming out of the jst connector it hooks to. The wires are protected well. If you're worried you can't wire this "don't worry " follow the simple step by step instructions and you won't have any problem. It even comes with a separate set of instructions with tips for protecting each switch, light and connector on the bike. They returned or answered every call or email I sent that day. Hope this review helps some of you.
:old2: :whoop: :chopper:
 

BWG56

Guru
Well, I got DOC's EHC wired in the bike and it looks like thats all I lost. I haven't fired it up yet but everything lights up and responds like it should. I need to put the tank back on when I get a little energy then start it and check the VR. The DOC's kit is one that would be hard to screw up on installing. Each wire set is lettered with a corresponding wire diagram that shows what that jst controls and even the color & number of wires coming out of the jst connector it hooks to. The wires are protected well. If you're worried you can't wire this "don't worry " follow the simple step by step instructions and you won't have any problem. It even comes with a separate set of instructions with tips for protecting each switch, light and connector on the bike. They returned or answered every call or email I sent that day. Hope this review helps some of you.
:old2::old2:I just opened my box from DOC yesterday:whoop::whoop:good to hear
 

Unsprung

In the Potters hand...
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That really sucks !!! What other parts did you lose ? And you say TH said your problem started at the VR. Did the say if the VR over charged the system or did it go to ground ?
Your earlier post you were talking fuses between the battery and EHC, I don't think that would work, but maybe the correct resistor.
I installed the VR and EHC yesterday and ran a separate fuse from the circuit breaker to the EHC. The circuit breaker is temporary until I get the manual reset from Curtis.
 
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Vyper

Member
Guy's I really appreciate all the help, Im going to give up trying to understand this system. There are some really intelligent people in the field of electronics that have tackled this issue and Im sure if it could be improved beyond what is offered today ... it would be.
I'm going to start with a VR monitor, if it shows problems I will put a meter on the VR while it's showing problems. Yes, there will be a volt meter in the tool bag. I'm replacing the ESC anyway so I will go over every wire and repair or replace any needed.
Sorry guys, I got to post this for a good friend .... he will get it.
 

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Vyper

Member
Did you ever get your bike going? I finally got my ignition module and after swapping out several burnt and damaged parts from the bad VR, I'm up and running again.
Glad to hear you're up and running. Im wired and running, but not riding. I have been chasing a problem. Bike runs, all switchs work, but my air ride solenoid has power to it all the time and releases the air from the shock as soon as I fill it up. The high beam seems to dim after 20 seconds or so too. It took the high beam filament out when the battery shorted and fried the controller. I looked at the LH pbc and I don't see anything wrong. I will pull the RH pbc, if I don't see anything there I guess I'll start chasing wires. Gotta like it !!! Hahaha
 
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Unsprung

In the Potters hand...
Glad to hear you're up and running. Im wired and running, but not riding. I have been chasing a problem. Bike runs, all switchs work, but my air ride solenoid has power to it all the time and releases the air from the shock as soon as I fill it up. The high beam seems to dim after 20 seconds or so too. It took the high beam filament out when the battery shorted and fried the controller. I looked at the LH pbc and I don't see anything wrong. I will pull the RH pbc, if I don't see anything there I guess I'll start chasing wires. Gotta like it !!! Hahaha
Sounds like a short to the solenoid or it's bad. Chasing wires is never fun, wish I could help John, but your a couple thousand miles awayi think. I ride a rigid and the air ride system is foreign to me, someone may chime in soon.
 
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