Wired my compression releases to my starter.

[bearman]

......we are talking about the start sequence the absolute most force on that chain during it's lifecycle ..........

Not trying to start an argument but a 2 kilowatt starter would only impart about 2.7 horsepower to the primary chain. Now compare that with the engine output of over 90 Horsepower.

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I will argue about the transmission being out of alignment which causes your inner primary to be misaligned which then would cause the clutch basket and ring gear to be misaligned......

Yes, this could cause a misalignment between the clutch basket/rear primary sprocket and the front primary sprocket, but not the ring gear and starter.

....Not to mention If the trans isn't square the starter isn't square either since it sits on top. Right? ......

The starter should always be square to the clutch basket and ring gear since both are mated to the transmission.

 

[Th3InfamousI]

Not trying to start an argument but a 2 kilowatt starter would only impart about 2.7 horsepower to the primary chain. Now compare that with the engine output of over 90 Horsepower.





Yes, this could cause a misalignment between the clutch basket/rear primary sprocket and the front primary sprocket, but not the ring gear and starter.





The starter should always be square to the clutch basket and ring gear since both are mated to the transmission.

Agreed the "snap" of the Starter is when the bike starts so it's the 90hp we are talking about. Bike starts and immediately SNAP! Doesn't always happen but sometimes like the Starter gear is trying to go back but catches the ring gear. In my case it's only every few starts and it ONLY happen when the bike starts. For example if it's a cold start and spins and doesn't start then it doesn't happen.

I'm not trying to start an argument either really why I didn't want to post until I opened mine up. But seems like we have a few people with the same issue. So I'd hope we can get it solved.

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[BWG56]

I noticed my starter ring gear was a little chewed up when I rebuilt the tranny, I wonder if this is causing some of this?
Can the starter ring gear on the clutch basket be removed and reversed on the clutch basket?
Even to purchase one, I thought I read somewhere that you have to buy the whole clutch basket in order to get the starter ring, is this true? sorry for all the questions

 

[BWG56]

Agreed the "snap" of the Starter is when the bike starts so it's the 90hp we are talking about. Bike starts and immediately SNAP! Doesn't always happen but sometimes like the Starter gear is trying to go back but catches the ring gear. In my case it's only every few starts and it ONLY happen when the bike starts. For example if it's a cold start and spins and doesn't start then it doesn't happen.

I'm not trying to start an argument either really why I didn't want to post until I opened mine up. But seems like we have a few people with the same issue. So I'd hope we can get it solved.

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When I get the BANG my bike does not start, it don't even get the chance to turn over, as soon as I hit the start button, its BANG

 

[badyellowvette]

When I get the BANG my bike does not start, it don't even get the chance to turn over, as soon as I hit the start button, its BANG

That is the same thing mine does.

 

[Coolbreezin]

That would suck.

Total of 11 (starters & jackshafts) before I got the slam button. No problems since. Worse part was never knowing when the ride would end for me.

 

[badyellowvette]

Total of 11 (starters & jackshafts) before I got the slam button. No problems since. Worse part was never knowing when the ride would end for me.

What exactly does the slam button do that helps you? I can get a slam button.

 

[Coolbreezin]

I cant say exactly. All I know is I havent had any bangs, clunks or breaks. Im sure there are others far more knowledgeable than I, that can jump in to answer yr question.

 

[francoblay1]

Quick question...

When using the Slam Button, does it engages the CRs as when using the start button?

I did install a Slum Button a couple years ago but never used it!

 

[FrankBDPS]

Quick question...

When using the Slam Button, does it engages the CRs as when using the start button?

I did install a Slum Button a couple years ago but never used it!

Franco, the slam button will not engage the Compression releases if you're bike still is wired as from the factory. BUT the compression releases should engage when you press the run button. At least I think so! The slam button simply does the job the starter selonoid would do if you pressed the start button. If the wiring on the bike has been modified and the Compression releases have been wired directly to the selonoid wire then I don't think they would engage.

The key to these big inch engines is the charging system and keeping a fully charged battery in them. There was a comment a few post ago about a 90 horse power engine. Who has a Big Dog that is only pushing 90 horse power? Must be one sick puppy and a trip to the vets is in order.

Good luck guys. This is interesting to me since I am looking for a chopper or k9. An 03 or 04 chopper is looking better all the time.

Like our buddy Lucky Bill says old school and ride!

 

[francoblay1]

Franco, the slam button will not engage the Compression releases if you're bike still is wired as from the factory. BUT the compression releases should engage when you press the run button. At least I think so! The slam button simply does the job the starter selonoid would do if you pressed the start button. If the wiring on the bike has been modified and the Compression releases have been wired directly to the selonoid wire then I don't think they would engage.

The key to these big inch engines is the charging system and keeping a fully charged battery in them. There was a comment a few post ago about a 90 horse power engine. Who has a Big Dog that is only pushing 90 horse power? Must be one sick puppy and a trip to the vets is in order.

Good luck guys. This is interesting to me since I am looking for a chopper or k9. An 03 or 04 chopper is looking better all the time.

Like our buddy Lucky Bill says old school and ride!

I agree with you, but I don´t think its the Run button that activate the CRs, its my understanding the CRs will open for only one (1) second (or so) when the Start button is pushed.

Someone correct me if I am wrong?

 

[FrankBDPS]

Franco, that could very well be and would make sence.

 

[BWG56]

I agree with you, but I don´t think its the Run button that activate the CRs, its my understanding the CRs will open for only one (1) second (or so) when the Start button is pushed.

Someone correct me if I am wrong?

True

 

[Thors]

All this sounds like pinion gear is slamming into the back of the ring gear or something of that sort. The solenoid engages REAL fast if its working right. The slam button is nice and slow...like a human. CR's can be wired to starter motor hot lead and then will still function with slam button. Not the whole starter but the actual starter motor. That would keep em working for both start button and slam button. Hmm...may do that.

 

[BWG56]

The key to these big inch engines is the charging system and keeping a fully charged battery in them. There was a comment a few post ago about a 90 horse power engine. Who has a Big Dog that is only pushing 90 horse power? Must be one sick puppy and a trip to the vets is in order.
!

Now compare that with the engine output of over
90 Horsepower.
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A little change in wording makes a big difference, but easily over looked

 

[francoblay1]

All this sounds like pinion gear is slamming into the back of the ring gear or something of that sort. The solenoid engages REAL fast if its working right. The slam button is nice and slow...like a human. CR's can be wired to starter motor hot lead and then will still function with slam button. Not the whole starter but the actual starter motor. That would keep em working for both start button and slam button. Hmm...may do that.

If/when you do that... please take a few pics and write it up!

 

[Coolbreezin]

I found a sticky on here on how to rewire the C/R's to the solenoid post. Everything works at the same time when I push the slam button. My Start button hasnt worked for a couple years now.

 

[BWG56]

I found a sticky on here on how to rewire the C/R's to the solenoid post. Everything works at the same time when I push the slam button. My Start button hasnt worked for a couple years now.

I'm gonna ask 2 stupid questions, when you say rewired to solenoid post, that is not the green wire on top of starter? correct? and 2nd, the bike will not start without the key on because the ignition module does not have power! correct?
I'm thinking slam button is in order.

 

[badyellowvette]

So every time you have to start the bike using the slam button? There has to be a better answer.

 

[Coolbreezin]

I'm gonna ask 2 stupid questions, when you say rewired to solenoid post, that is not the green wire on top of starter? correct? and 2nd, the bike will not start without the key on because the ignition module does not have power! correct?
I'm thinking slam button is in order.

No, the C/r's are connected to the post thats on the solenoid (not the green wire). When you press the slam button, it completes the circuit starting the motor and opening the C/R's.
Correct. No key, no power. However, the motor will still spin as if it is starting (no spark to plugs though),