RIP Kit with Dead Battery

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xxcarpxx

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OK, the Dog left me stranded again. Two weeks ago I installed a new Power Source Battery and a Kansas Motorcycle Works RIP kit. I typically keep a trickle charge on the big when I keep it at the Garage (not my house) I have had it at home for 4 days and rode 100+ miles a day with no Trickle Charge or any startup problems. On the 4th day, I was having a great ride, went by one of my buddies house and had started up the Dog 4-5 times, so he could hear a sound that I think is coming from the Carburetor (crazy I know) that's another problem.... then I turned the key over and the Speedometer Dial stayed around 30 MPH... Now the Dog won't start. No Headlight at startup.. We put a Charger on The Dog and the Headlight would come on when I turned the key over.. the RIP kit was making a Buzzing sound, and would change sounds when I Engaged Start. (not turn the motor over) The Charger was showing the Battery wasn't taking a charge but my voltmeter shows 12.9 VDC.. Also bumping Post to Post with a Wrench showed no arc.. We took a Harley 310cca battery from my buddies bike and it would roll over the motor a couple times.... but not enough to start.. So I guess my question is, is the buzzing from the RIP kit normal with a dead battery??
Once that is taken care of, I'll move on to checking the Charge System, which I think is also bad...as well as the sound I think is back feeding through the Carburetor...
Thanks for any help offered...


 

xxcarpxx

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Yeah,i know the Wires are a mess..but the Dog was down for 4 weeks with a bad EHC..and I just want to ride right now...
 

Brew

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I would make sure that you have a good battery in the scoot and yes a bad battery can cause that buzzing. I had a similar issue happen with my scoot, but it turned out to be a shorted wire to my rear tail light under the fender. My ESC would buzz, not quite as bad as yours is doing but my lights were flickering along with the buzzing sound. I picked up something on the highway when they had the ash fault tore up and they didn't clean up the road. My right rear light harness got chaffed and was arching against the inner fender.

If you get a good battery installed and the same thing happens, then the best way to troubleshoot is to disconnect the RIP connectors one at a time until the buzzing stops. When the buzzing stops, that's the circuit that'll be bad. Just keep in mind anytime you troubleshoot the electrical system, always do it with a known good battery. That means have the battery load checked to verify its good, I can't stress this enough!!!
 

kickstart

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OK, The Charger was showing the Battery wasn't taking a charge but my voltmeter shows 12.9 VDC.. Also bumping Post to Post with a Wrench showed no arc.. We took a Harley 310cca battery from my buddies bike and it would roll over the motor a couple times....
When you say bumping post to post with a wrench are you saying that you placed a wrench across the battery terminals ?
If so that could fry everything.
 

xxcarpxx

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I would make sure that you have a good battery in the scoot and yes a bad battery can cause that buzzing.
It was a new battery, I installed 2 weeks ago when I did the RIP Kit... But Im going to try a new battery.. Thanks for the info..

When you say bumping post to post with a wrench are you saying that you placed a wrench across the battery terminals ?
If so that could fry everything.
Yes, Post to Post.. But the Post did not have any leads hooked to them...
 

woodbutcher

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It was a new battery, I installed 2 weeks ago when I did the RIP Kit... But Im going to try a new battery.. Thanks for the info..



Yes, Post to Post.. But the Post did not have any leads hooked to them...
i had (2) NEW interstate batteries within a week and a half and they both ended up being in worse shape than my original 4 year old battery was. they both left me stranded. make sure it is good, even to the point of getting the new battery load tested before you buy it.
 

Iman

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i had (2) NEW interstate batteries within a week and a half and they both ended up being in worse shape than my original 4 year old battery was. they both left me stranded. make sure it is good, even to the point of getting the new battery load tested before you buy it.
Tom My interstate lasted me 6 years. its that salt water where you live thats draning your batteries
 

woodbutcher

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Tom My interstate lasted me 6 years. its that salt water where you live thats draning your batteries
now, paul, you only live about 20 miles away from me and you know it. maybe interstate just had a bad run when i got my 2 but i feel it is my responsibility to make people aware of my situation so they can make an informed decision. hope all is going well on your end of the country.
 

Iman

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now, paul, you only live about 20 miles away from me and you know it. maybe interstate just had a bad run when i got my 2 but i feel it is my responsibility to make people aware of my situation so they can make an informed decision. hope all is going well on your end of the country.
Tom, I'll tell you why I got 10 years out of my interstate. First whenever you buy one, make sure you squeeze the middle of it. has to be firm. like when you squeeze fruit at the super market. The firmer it is, the fresher it is
 

woodbutcher

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first you say six years, then you say 10 years. next thing you know, that damn battery in your '08 will be 20 years old. you been around doug too long, you can't remember how to tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D sorry fucker.
 
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kickstart

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It was a new battery, I installed 2 weeks ago when I did the RIP Kit... But Im going to try a new battery.. Thanks for the info..



Yes, Post to Post.. But the Post did not have any leads hooked to them...
Still not a good thing to do, hot to ground without resistance could cause the battery to rupture or explode.
 

BWG56

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first you say six years, then you say 10 years. next thing you know, that damn battery in your '08 will be 20 years old. you been around doug too long, you can't remember how to tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D sorry fucker.
I wonder if he's even sure it was an Interstate!!!!!!

And its never a good idea to dead short a battery, unless its in a field and your about 100ft away
 

woodbutcher

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I wonder if he's even sure it was an Interstate!!!!!!

And its never a good idea to dead short a battery, unless its in a field and your about 100ft away
i'm just giving Paul shit about his battery. he's always bragged about it because he got it at wholesale from his brother. one of the batteries i bought, i pulled the label off of it and it was a completely different battery than what was presented by interstate. total mis-representation, in my opinion. YUASA 270 cca does not equal interstate 310 cca. not in my book. i know i'm kicking a dead horse, but to the buyer, beware.
 

Iman

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my interstate only lasted 2 years, i think i have an auto zone or something now. needed one quick before bike week, thats why i got a no name brand
 

xxcarpxx

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@Iman ..you almost had me sold in the Interstate...haha


It does seem the battery is what took the Dog down.. after some sloooow Customer Service from power sports battery, they are rushing me a new Power Source, Lighting Start battery...
Tonight I used a charged Harley Soft Tail battery and got the Dog running... But never got an increase of DCV over 13.-13.1 at the battery while revving the motor... I checked the Stator and believe it to be good...but I'm not sure on the Voltage Regulator.. I'll have to get some tips on checking it....



On a side note, I took my 3 week old battery to the local Metric shop to have the battery Load Tested... At first it would not take a charge..and was thought to be bad... then they connected it to different machine and used jumpers to bump my battery...it then started to take charge... the Tech said something about using the Jumpers to separate the plates in the cells.... I should know the final Bench Test Results tomorrow.....
Thanks for all that chimed in on being a dead battery....the way it was acting and buzzing had me worried I was having electrical issues again....
 
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woodbutcher

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yeah, if you are only getting 13/13.1 at the battery with the bike running, take a look at the voltage regulator next (should be up around 13.8/.13.9). but also check the AC voltage out of the stator plug. that is the one that should really vary with the RPM of the motor.
 

TapioK

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@Iman ..you almost had me sold in the Interstate...haha


It does seem the battery is what took the Dog down.. after some sloooow Customer Service from power sports battery, they are rushing me a new Power Source, Lighting Start battery...
Tonight I used a charged Harley Soft Tail battery and got the Dog running... But never got an increase of DCV over 13.-13.1 at the battery while revving the motor... I checked the Stator and believe it to be good...but I'm not sure on the Voltage Regulator.. I'll have to get some tips on checking it....



On a side note, I took my 3 week old battery to the local Metric shop to have the battery Load Tested... At first it would not take a charge..and was thought to be bad... then they connected it to different machine and used jumpers to bump my battery...it then started to take charge... the Tech said something about using the Jumpers to separate the plates in the cells.... I should know the final Bench Test Results tomorrow.....
Thanks for all that chimed in on being a dead battery....the way it was acting and buzzing had me worried I was having electrical issues again....
The old rule states, that if battery goes totally flat it loses half of it's capacity... No matter what you do it is practically ruined. If battery doesn't take charge it is totally flat, dead and crap, piece of shit and ugly ornament. No artistic value, nor any other value.
 

xxcarpxx

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yeah, if you are only getting 13/13.1 at the battery with the bike running, take a look at the voltage regulator next (should be up around 13.8/.13.9). but also check the AC voltage out of the stator plug. that is the one that should really vary with the RPM of the motor.
I was able to check the Stator Plug. I was getting 18 ACV at idle. Check Ground to Ground at each Plug, it showed good.. Then checked Ohms on the Stator, it was ".3"... So from what I've read, I am going to guess the Stator is OK...Would you guys agree?? But wasn't really sure on how to check the VR... Thats what I'll research next... I was hoping if I am having Charging System problems, that it would be the Voltage Regulator, rather than the Stator due the cost and effort involved..haha


The old rule states, that if battery goes totally flat it loses half of it's capacity... No matter what you do it is practically ruined. If battery doesn't take charge it is totally flat, dead and crap, piece of shit and ugly ornament. No artistic value, nor any other value.
Thats one way of putting it..haha... They have a new battery on the way either way.. So I'll be good there..
 

woodbutcher

Mr. Old Fart member #145
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did you happen to increase the RPM when you were checking the stator plug? the voltage should increase with RPM up to about 40 volts at higher revs.
 
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