Cant Use Brakes or Blinkers or Bike Dies.....

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Sven

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I tested the battery and it is over 12 volts.
Be very 'specific (gravity)' with that number. Go back and read the battery so this schools you on how to read a computer bike battery... kind of 10ths of volts matter. Turn the key on; high beams on; step on the back brake so the taillight comes on; radio on; glove warmers; vest jacket; etc., is to drag that battery down with the key on; watt does the voltage read now? It went from 12.6 to 12.1 volts?

Don't be funny and come back with... It was over 12 volts with key off and still reads over 12 volts with key on... Is my joke. Now, joking aside this is not a 'specific' number in the tail chasing side of the internet. We still want to question that battery, even if it still fires the bike off 12 times in a day.


This cam sensor test is were someone turkey trots over to their bike; disconnects the cam sensor; prongs the ohm meter at those two wires in the connector; reads the resistance; and if both match; meaning; yours reads the same = it's not the cam sensor.

Back to a faulty H-box... And to know for sure, have it tested by said mentioned member in your thread.
 

MossBerg590

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Ok Sven, got the numbers.. Went out and bought a new digital meter( mine was a dial one, hence the unspecific numbers earlier.) Started bike this morning for awhile, no problems. Never died. Plugged in maintainer and went to store. About 6 hours later went back out. Took bike off maintainer.
Key on test battery- 12.8 v
Key on, blinkers, high beams, brakes on- 12.4 v
Bike started- fluctuates between 13.8-14.2
Went to turn blinkers on and hit left blinker, horn blew and bike died. Hit left blinker again and horn blew once more then nothing. Have to hit run, then starts right up. Hit high beam, horn blew, bike shut off. When bike shuts off, both blinkers go on.

SO I;m assuming its not rear lights as previously thought because high beam is shutting it off as well. Alsop bike wasn;t hot this time so not sure on the cam sensor? Could horn be shorting out? Why does everything work fine when bike is off?
 

BWG56

Guru
Sounds like your eliminating some things. High beam, left turn signal and horn button are all on that left hand control board. HMMMM, Out of curiosity start the bike and turn the right turn signal on and see if it shuts down.
 

MossBerg590

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Sounds like your eliminating some things. High beam, left turn signal and horn button are all on that left hand control board. HMMMM, Out of curiosity start the bike and turn the right turn signal on and see if it shuts down.
It does, either blinker, headlights, front brake and rear brake all shut it off.
 

Diesel Dan

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Pull your EHC out and send it to Curtis at WSW:hi:.......He can accurately test it for you with the proper Big Dog breakout box,and he checks ALL functions on the EHC and will send you back a print-out of how it tested:).........I Would do this as a baseline to start from Tyler..........Once you have eliminated the EHC and VERIFY it is good or bad,then you can go from there..........That's where I would start if it was my bike.....Good Luck Brotha,let us know what ya do...Gotta get that Dog back out on the road!!!!
 

BWG56

Guru
Do you have a connector under the seat that disconnects the rear lights, if so unplug and see if the bike will still shut off, this would eliminate the wiring and the rear lights as a possible cause from that point. I'm thinking its something in the left handle bar control board but I'm just trying to eliminate the easy stuff before you take the left control apart.
 

MossBerg590

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I will check for the connector. Dan, If I cant figure out by monday then I will get with Curtis and see how much it'll cost to check. Thanks for the tip.
 

Diesel Dan

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Your welcome bud,just trying to help..Curtis charges 45$ to test EHC and ALL of its functions properly:).........After you get it tested,then we can start checking PCB's in the hand controls on left and right sides, we can do Continuity tests on the left and right hand controls to make sure there working right,and do NOT have a short to voltage or short to ground,and start chasing harness issue's elsewhere:).............
 

Sven

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Key on test battery- 12.8 v
Key on, blinkers, high beams, brakes on- 12.4 v
Bike started- fluctuates between 13.8-14.2
Good move on the digital. The analog is better for wire shorts, digital for battery and charging. That's your ideal number on that static battery check. The load is fine @ 12.4. The charging was a given so 14.2 spiking like that shows the v/reg flip-flopping the voltage against that 12.8 battery. Those are Beautiful numbers.
As mentioned, This eliminates any poor grounds or loose parts on the bike.

Went to turn blinkers on and hit left blinker, horn blew and bike died. Hit left blinker again and horn blew once more then nothing. Have to hit run, then starts right up. Hit high beam, horn blew, bike shut off. When bike shuts off, both blinkers go on.
The next elimination is the H-box. Look how the bike starts right back up, runs all day long... Until you touch that switch, yes? Does that say, 'leave the unit alone?' Seems like it to me.

SO I;m assuming its not rear lights as previously thought because high beam is shutting it off as well. Alsop bike wasn;t hot this time so not sure on the cam sensor?
There you go, good call. Way too cold, way too hot, WATT was I thinking! Correct, it is Not the cam sensor. Starts too fast, runs too long, etc. That's now out of the way.

Could horn be shorting out? Why does everything work fine when bike is off?
No, I don't think so. If the horn was short then the current goes to ground, shorts, blows the fuse. It's not the horn. Why? The code spit was to sound the horn, wink the lights = Phantom hit!

Your thread title has the 'brake apply' also? Or have you eliminated that brake, assuming you were in the mutitasking of moving the switch and hitting the brakes? Lets assume the brakes are tied into the fuse as are the lights? How many fuses are on the bike?

We could pull fuses to remove those sub-systems and pinpoint it this way: by hitting the switches, tagging brakes. Then, replace the fuse in one sub-system slot and now see if that system coming back on line caused the effect.

Say there are not too many fuses to the system. First start bike and see if pulling the kill switch side will kill the engine you disconnect the switch at the connector. Then remove the other.

1. Right switch connector reconnected is begin to hit the high beam or whatever the toggling is on the right switch, toggle till dies. Nothing? Then, remove the right switch.
2. Left switch connector is now going thru the same toggling, short of hitting the kill switch. And BTW, you are so fast at doing this, do not overheat the bike. Start with a cold engine and less than 4 minutes sitting [idle] is your window.
3. This is while the bike starts with the switches connected remember. So you have one already connected and now is it that switch?

I'm thinking we are at the switch. But in the thread title, where are we hitting the brakes? Look how if both switches were disconnected, you nailed the brake switches, see the short up to the main wire connectors, not the switches? The switches hit the same "in the middle" of the wire harness, not the switch, not the brakes, but where the 'sub-systems' tie in, if say the brakes and/or running light is tied in with the high beam, etc. Make sense we scramble this like a cam sensor scenario and eliminate the switch or a "wire harness rub at a wire?"
 

MossBerg590

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Yes driving down the road, just tapping brakes, rear or front shut it off. I will try disconnecting the hand switches one at a time as you said, unfortunately, I have to wait till it acts up again. I went out this morning and fired it up and had blinker on, high beam, front and rear brake etc at once and bike would not shut off. Everything was as should be so the problem is intermittent....but when it does decide to act up, its non stop. Any touch of any brakes,high beams, blinkers etc it shuts off.
 

MossBerg590

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Ok, went and took bike out. Started fine, took off fine. After about 5 min, came up to a stop. Pulled in clutch and hit rear brake. Bike died. Did same thing until I got home with blinker or brakes. Also a few times after it shut off and I tried to restart, as soon as I hit the start button horn would blow and wouldnt start. Did this multiple times. Disconnected rear light from plug, started bike and hit brake or blinker I can't remember and bike shut off so rear lights aren't it. I then started bike and unplugged right control plug. Hit left blinker and bike died. Hooked up right side, unhooked left side, started bike and hit right blinker and bike died. Another thing is when I was rising and hit brake and bike died, I let off brake. Then everytime I tapped brake the horn blew.
 

Sven

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Could my speedometer be shorting? It does act up sometimes or is this a seperate unrelated issue?
No. Speedo would be a problem when running or showing speed, not at a standstill.

We are still back to one wire in the harness that is setting this off is my observation.
 

BWG56

Guru
We are still back to one wire in the harness that is setting this off is my observation.
X2 do you have a wiring schematic? start tracing and looking for the chafed wire. Have you had the tank off to see if anything is rubbed there?
 

BWG56

Guru
No I haven't had the tank off yet. I don't have the schematic either. Man, electrical problems suck..
Suck is an understatement, bad thing with your's is that its sporadic, so your going to have to find it cause it won't necessarily test faulty.
Franco may be able to send you a wiring schematic to start with the brake wiring.:bang:
 

BWG56

Guru
It could be intermittent, thats why sending it to Curtis is a 50/50 chance. This is a tuff one Tyler. You have to start looking for that needle in a haystack. Its almost as if the wire is chaffed and sometimes it shorts out and other times its not touching, you go for a ride and hit a bump, apply brakes and it dies.

Send Curtis a PM and maybe he can provide you with a wiring schematic
 
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bearman

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.....When I press on, there is a red light, ... Once started the red light stays lit. When I hit the brakes or blinkers, the red light moves over one light and the bike shuts off.....does that make sense?
Yes and no.

It makes sense that If this is the ignition LED that comes on when you hit the run button, then the one next to it would be the air ride mode LED.

It makes sense that when the air ride adjustment mode is "on" there is no power to the ignition.

It makes sense that you didn't find a short to the blinkers or brakes, if there is a short to any of those there should be a corresponding LED lit on top of the EHC.

It doesn't make sense that the air ride adjustment mode is turned "on" by brakes or blinkers or headlights.

The air ride adjustment mode is supposed to be activated by turning the key from "off" to "on" then hitting the start button before hitting the run button. If you had air ride you would then adjust it with the hi/lo beam switch, this is why it only works when engine is off.

EHC's can be intermittent, and usually are, before they fail completely.

The only thing that I can think of (that is not a bad EHC) would be that maybe the key switch is flakey and looses contact briefly (which causes the power to the ignition to cut off) and then makes contact again, but puts it in the air ride mode somehow because the engine is turning (this is purely a guess).
To test this take your seat off, crank it up then momentarily turn the key off and back on while the motor is still turning.
If it goes into the air ride mode, you know that the key switch is bad or you got a loose wire somewhere. If it just turns back on like normal and keeps running, I would send that EHC off to be tested.

Here is a PDF of the 2007 wiring diagram for carbureted engine, should be the same as 2006.
 

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