High pitch squeak prior to clutch cable break..

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bigdogtech01 said:
Your already there, you might as well pull the chain assembly and clutch out to check the bearings in the transmission. Not to mention yours being an '06, it's very likely you have an old main shaft in it.
Yours most likely also has the old style clutch pushrod which has a larger outside diameter than the new. So I would get a new one for sure. That and the throwout bearing assembly are both around $38 each. If you pull the clutch out, make sure you get the seal that goes into transmission case and the clutch shim that goes behind the clutch hub. Seal is $7. Shim is $3.80.
It always amazes me that someone can leave out a bolt like that after working on the bike...unreal:loony:
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All valid points, thanks for the reply. I am a "don't fix it if it ain't broke" kinda guy, but will definitely take a second and third look/check with regards to the tranny. A new pushrod is a given, a new throw out assembly is a given, the bolt missing is also a given but can it have caused any damage to have it missing? I mean, 4000 miles at least is what it has done without it and who knows how many more by previous owner... I will also install a new clutch cable and keep the current one as a backup. The oil that came out of the primary was also very thick and black, something that surprised me as I changed it less than 1000 miles ago. I use the Mobil1 20-50 and have had zero clutch slipping issues. The oil in the tranny was also replaced and that oil still look good. Weird kinda scenario but whatever it takes, i will make it right.

Thanks again for all the good advice, I am listening to each and every one of them.:2thumbs:
 
HMAN

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Ask Baker about a heavy duty throwout bearing. Mine went out a while back. Replaced it with the heavy duty one and no problems.
 
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Ordered the parts from Curtis and Baker today. When I mentioned to Baker about the missing bolt in the clutch he was not surprised at all and just put another bolt on the order, told me to use blue locktite, and torque it to specs. I'm like:....OK..... :eek: So now off to parts cleaning and cleaning of spots I otherwise can't reach. I might also modify that horrible exhaust bracket from V&H, what a POS....
 
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Viking said:
Ordered the parts from Curtis and Baker today. When I mentioned to Baker about the missing bolt in the clutch he was not surprised at all and just put another bolt on the order, told me to use blue locktite, and torque it to specs. I'm like:....OK..... :eek: So now off to parts cleaning and cleaning of spots I otherwise can't reach. I might also modify that horrible exhaust bracket from V&H, what a POS....
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RED loctite on the 4, 5/6" bolts and 18 ft lbs.
 
pknowles

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Matt at Baker said use Blue, although red is what is suggested in the manual. I mean he says: Use red, no just use blue since it's semi permanent.......

What do you think?
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I just put mine back together and used blue and torqued to 20 foot pounds. I'm thinking I pulled the number from my manual. I'll check... Just checked the service manual(07) and it said 20 foot pounds.
 
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Dan22644

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Viking said:
Matt at Baker said use Blue, although red is what is suggested in the manual. I mean he says: Use red, no just use blue since it's semi permanent.......

What do you think?
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I used blue on everything when I put my clutch together. Make sure you FILL the threads, not just a dab; and of course use a good torque wrench, alternating pattern, etc. I've never had anything loosen up (knock on wood).

Your clutch will wear out, and if you have the same main shaft in your tranny that I did, you will likely twist it in half one day, so plan on taking this all apart again....

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Trust me, use RED high strength. Generally anything 1/4" or less gets Blue. Anything 5/16" up gets RED. And yes, spec is 18-20 ft lbs.
 
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i think i would rather use red and have a little trouble when it comes time for dis-assembly than to use blue and have it come apart on the road.
 
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Just like stated in that video, you use concentrated heat. Most the time you don't need any heat at all, just a good air impact if you can't get off by hand. Motorcycles are a lot different than a car or truck...for one, they have a lot more vibration (the American side of bikes) and also, your only on two wheels. If a bolt comes loose and causes you to go down, I would not want to look back and say...Damn maybe I should a used Red rather than Blue.
Just my .02 cents :2thumbs:
 
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Just a little update. Here is the reason there was only three bolts in there:



Difference between new and old throw out bearing:



And thanks to good advice, I checked the bearing, seal and shim and then ordered new seal and shim just to be on the safe side. Talked to Baker again about that wear and they said no worries...



So another couple of days to clean up parts and bike and then get it ready. It just feels good to know that everything in there is 100% right.
 
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FYI, a good winter project would be to replace that old style main shaft with new. See that gap between the splines and threads? That means it's old and can potentially break...not to freak you out, just letting yo know.:cheers:
 
Dan22644

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Viking said:
Just a little update. Here is the reason there was only three bolts in there:

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Don't you just love finding little gems like this in you bike from previous owners??? :mad: I think the same monkey wrench who used to work on my bike, used to work on yours too...


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bigdogtech01 said:
FYI, a good winter project would be to replace that old style main shaft with new. See that gap between the splines and threads? That means it's old and can potentially break...not to freak you out, just letting yo know.:cheers:
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I seem to remember reading on here someone who rebuild these trannys for a decent coin. I think that might be what I am going with. I could do it myself, but prefer to leave these jobs to the pros that knows what lasts and what doesn't. What do you think?

Dan22644 said:
Don't you just love finding little gems like this in you bike from previous owners??? :mad: I think the same monkey wrench who used to work on my bike, used to work on yours too...
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My K-9 use to live in Naples, hopefully there are not more than one mechanic this bad working on Big Dogs. Hence I do 100% of my work myself unless experience / tools beyond my means are needed.
 
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bigdogtech01 said:
FYI, a good winter project would be to replace that old style main shaft with new. See that gap between the splines and threads? That means it's old and can potentially break...not to freak you out, just letting yo know.:cheers:
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He speaks the truth... This happened to me last year biketoberfest on Friday. I was riding north on A1A to meet friends at the Oasis in St. Augustine. I was in left hand lane as I saw the sign for the Oasis, cruising at about 40mph probably fourth gear. There was a car in the right lane a ways back, so I rolled on the throttle hard to get further ahead and change lanes to make the right hand turn, after about two seconds of acceleration the main shaft snapped, no warning or noises, no gear changes, didn't even touch the clutch, just a roll on from about 2000 rpm. Coasted into the overflow parking lot (which was kinda cool, better than losing it on I-95).

I had breakfast while I waited for the motorcycle towing guys...

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