Nukeranger
Nukeranger
Sven, Please don't help me if and when I ask a question here. 
engine sucking air somewhere
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Sven, Please don't help me if and when I ask a question here. 
erldawg
Guru
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Bhawkins854
Member
I ripped my intake apart again, squared up the areas that I ground down to make damn sure it was sitting on the head correctly, put some o-ring sealant and there are no leaks now 100% sure of that. Went up to a 33 int. Jet and now my a/f screw is back to where it should be 1 3/4 turns from seated. ALSO..I never read the directions on how to set my static timing on my ignition, TDC compression stroke on front cylinder and rotate the module until the status light comes on. Damn sometimes you just have to stop and read the fuckin directions. Timing needed to be advanced quite a ways, thanks for all the help guys I've got her dialed in now!!!
minermark
Active Member
If your read the directions first, you would not be an american.......
Bhawkins854
Member
Haha so true man, I'm just glad that I was able to figure it out on my own, I'm no mechanic but there is only one way to learn which is do it youeself, glad to find a site to get some good info
Correct.
Bike basics.
How come it is all of a sudden about you? You without a manO. Are you the arrogant one? I'm not in every thread. I'm in a thread trying to slow down the fuel
Who listens to some arrogant no man0wner? Not this recalcitrant. Guys like you do not impress me, but show the others how you got a lot of balls discussing bike tech. You have yet to question any of the FI fundamentals. Show me I'm wrong about the basics as to how to diagnose the sensors, the crank and cam sensors? Pick a bike. It is why you don't see it. You cannot discuss it at this level. You are struggling with throwing more gas at it.
This is the net. Not enough info. The guy never set up the ignition as per those retard books and instruction sheets. Oh, but you didn't see something a little off from here, did you? With limited abstract, you go and
steer it from here. If we 7k all sat down, count the arrogant people. See what they do. They sound more confident than arrogant? Big difference. Kind of can't figure out if a car is the best or FI is?
I would not change a hair on your head, guy. YOu do not impress me one bit. YOu are halfass looking to me. You half man upped. Admitted no man0. The rest of yourantizz for the birds. Focus on the one thing, the OP. You focused on me? I ignored your first rant. Who are you with the, 'you are pretty whatever for a newbee?' Are you the word police? Are you some arrogant piece of shit that runs up to me, demands respect and you do not even own a clown suit like a man0 in the closet. So, I don't even want to know your closet. That is you so are we clear?
Brad, 2Bad. It is too bad I was trying to establish a rich condition. Someone changes two things so who knows now? The variable now is, the ignition was too retarded. Too much soot. No advance to send all that spark at the correct degree. Did you try to stop all the pages? Hold your horses and now you keep telling me I don't know my shit? But, there was not one figuring out the steps did not make sense. I questioned fuel. You added more fuel to a retard and I didn't say that. :roll: Showed YOU in the hindsight.
I'd dig up my slow-mo video of an idle, but you think they are whack videos so who cares. I made them for me anyway.
It is like asking me, 'Do you use ivory soap for fuel?" Do you use dutch tulips for valves to keep the compression in? Of course I use the book. Someone didn't read the directions like before they pick up a tool. I can't stop them. Can you?
Dude, these are subtle racing tricks. I won't say shit of what I know about FI. I can walk up to your BD bike and hack it... BET ME! You don't even have the money for that bet. I can get you there, but you won't listen and really? You think I give a shit? YOur bike is not my problem. Your wallet is not my problem at the gas pump. YOu don't want to listen? Your wallet.
I don't learn shit from the non-man0's. Not enough hands on to speak. I told you. "No investigation, no write to speak." Take it like a man.
You mean, withe the :loony::loony::loony: ???
:roll: That is part of the entertainment. Where were they trying to slow down the retard? I didn't say that. :up: :roll:
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BadBrad
2005 Pitbull
Good for you Brenden. I was talking to a guy on aother forum that metioned you might want to start with a 36 inter/84 main for your altitude as a starting point. He stated if you increase the intermediate, you'll probably need to increase the main as well. Either way, if you got your dog running and running well, that's what it's all about. Ride safe!
That is pretty funny. This is tech, correct? The abstract of Brad's walk is telling. And I am telling you right here and now, I'm not on Brad's case whatsoever. It is nothing personal.I dont' know if the engine is still sucking air but I can tell you this thread is....please admins put an end to our misery and kill this thread
Yoda is stripping the force from us all :roll:
Watt and WOT I do is read your input. Your post now says, 'altitude.' The abstract now begins, and no offense to anyone that did not catch the tuning process... Excuse me, Mr. Bad?
2Bad you did not say with me, hey? What are you doing, adding more gas to a higher altitude? I did not take this out of a book. I watched a potato chip bag expand as I drove up to a mountain rental place. When I brought the groceries in, the potato chip bag was a balloon.
That said in science speak = Less Air. Now, if I add 2 and 2 I get 2Bad, that is now 2 strikes against you:
1. No man0
2. No increase jetting when gaining altitude = Less air.
2BAD Speak = Lee air means, the jet stream of holes, needs to pull out less fuel out of each blended hole.
1 3/4 out, plus more intermediate means a step for more gas the higher you go? Could Brad be the Yoda guy?
Got it. Brad, you're kidding me, right? :roll: That is your logic I am following. From the bottom of the sea basics are my posts. How about we start from sea level? Kind of like baby steps. Again, the dis is the abstract. I am not dissing the members.
Gotta spank the post with the savvy bookspeak no one wants to read. I roll up to a shop, and Brad? YOu rep this shop [forum]. I'm like a district manager for BD .
Dev Resinep, at your service.
toomanybikes
not enough time 4 riding
Am I the only one who thinks Sven needs to visit Vince?
MARV
Well-Known Member
With the high flowing heads and your 11+:1 compression your drawing in much more air and fuel. Basically what I think Sven is trying to communicate with his scientific jargon. (reminds me why everyone hates an engineer)
I have close to the same build with 206psi comp. when I had the super G carb I found, with the use of a dyno, it ran best with a 70 main. Don't recall the intermediate size but thnk a 29. I run a PSI carb now.
I'd say pull the float bowl vent, (check the mixture screw for needle damage), set the a/f screw at 1.5 turns out from lightly seated, then start reading the plugs at idle then WOT. I bet your final result is you end up lowering both jets and turning in the mixture screw to cut more air.
Add some techron to you fuel to clean your exhaust valves which is common build up.
In my opinion
Whoooo, hold on. I don't listen to (some) engineers. Basically I said, you think you are getting more air into the cylinder. Well, this is a normally aspirated engine, not a turbo or roots type top fuel blower for a carb? All you changed was a polish. There is no MORE air... I am in the camp of SAME AIR IN ONLY FASTER... Did the event happen. More is is forced air. That is MORE air is when I see a blower on it.
I agree with that opinion. I might be seeing Daylight!!
Vince is going to change me? Don't be go putting everyone in front of me. I don't need any visitors about to tell me the watt 4... :roll:
4 WOT? That I just agreed with a post? :lol: There are some smartys here. Someone was right. Toomanybikes? Any of them run? Vince turn 'em? [jk]
MARV
Well-Known Member
Ok let me refrain from saying more air, to air/fuel being drawn in faster. So in the same amount of time his motor is moving more a/f.Whoooo, hold on. I don't listen to (some) engineers. Basically I said, you think you are getting more air into the cylinder. Well, this is a normally aspirated engine, not a turbo or roots type top fuel blower for a carb? All you changed was a polish. There is no MORE air... I am in the camp of SAME AIR IN ONLY FASTER... Did the event happen. More is is forced air. That is MORE air is when I see a blower on it.
I agree with that opinion. I might be seeing Daylight!!
You say all the OP changed was a polish but he actually did much more as he mentioned previously. porting, polish, bigger valves, smaller combustion chamber, close to zero deck height, longer duration cam, custom 2 into 1 exhaust.
Basically if you hooked a garden hose to the manifold you could suck a golf ball thru it on the intake stroke, faster.
Just a metaphor, please don't do the math.
So, come on Sven, you an engineer?
And refrain from using a/f. Think of nature returning to atmosphere. No more, no less. It is a balance. And the constant is the 1atmo on the valve close. If not, they would have to change sensors if you change all that modding. So, you are stuck with the constant... N/A that is.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RiDWnzDQsQ]Tanker Implodes - YouTube[/ame]
Only if he changes the jet size will there be more fuel. The air is the same. It only moves faster. The gas pulled is the same. You didn't change any volume or orifice size that shows, 'more.' You didn't change the injection duty cycle to change the a/f.
Marvin? I don't see anything there but speed enhancers. A Preset of unplugging of parts, adding the same parts is parts. No doubling of the atmosphere.
That is what I am saying. Forget the other strokes. To add more air, first you fill up the glass of water. Lets use that for an analogy.Basically if you hooked a garden hose to the manifold you could suck a golf ball thru it on the intake stroke, faster.
Just a metaphor, please don't do the math.
How could I fill up more water (gotta think air now) if the atmo neutralized > like the tanker implode? You would have to fill up the glass is volume to 1 atm. Then to add more air, you would have to pressurize it over 14.7, correct?
Technically no. Sort of a reversengineer wit no schooling but rotating motorcycles and skooling myself the hard way. How hard? So hard, I don't need
viagra to start the day. I get pressure whenever she says whore knee. Now, that's fast! I'm not saying anyone takes the V, but they might be going blind trying to jet the(ir) thing :up:
BadBrad
2005 Pitbull
Sul, he's all yours. All my mechanical knowledge on Big Dogs comes str8 from this forum. Having an '05, I've had my share of electrical/mechanical issues and have torn the bike down on several occasions. Not sure how I ever survived without a manometer, but I did. I'm sure the manometer hasn't been around forever. How in the hell did anyone tune their bike before the invent of such a wonderful, tell all piece of equipment? It was a beautiful weekend and the dog is running great. Brenden, hope you got some riding time in too. This is your thread!!!! Sorry it got jacked so many times but glad you got ur dog running.
Wait a minute. Am I some punching bag here? Next in line? What I wanted to do was clean the plug up. The rush was the S&S settings and all that. Who was on top of it? I am not a tuner by any means. It takes math. I leave that to them. I'm more a tune up guy.
No matter how you look at it, there was something else wrong. Hey Brad?; you took a stab at it. I took a stab at it. I'm all yours? I figured out there was something else going wrong. It is a steprocedure. Basic troubleshooting.
I am hands on, in the trenches. My learning curves are literally that. Is there an AFR meter on your bike, camera pointed? I'm not going to assume this time.
Hey, the only way I can tune that aprilia is by ear. No low screw to blend, meaning, and no idle cable. Electrically I am stuck. I tried with a manometer. This bike takes an 02 sniffer machine to set up the idle off both cylinders. Big buck tools. Cheaper for the dealer to do it. Think the OP and I would let someone touch ours? Not one dime needed, we have ears, BB.
Good question. Beer Know Lee Basics? Then the invention of a lot of toilet bowl loops down a hole and all that crap came about.
I bet he is a smiling Mofo. A classic, "I forgot to mention" kind of guy. Schooled his ass by himself. Schooled yours too.
Yes or no? I beat you with the basics sitting from here, where was yours? I had to explain how this was going to go down. You tell me to listen? No, I listened enough. I'm going to make a video and call it "BadBrad... " Something. I dedicate the running there of [so many pages] is this post. The no jacking at all. OP didn't say he messed with the ignition. Maybe that is the reason. There was a problem and the pages prove it with the OP's second variable, entering more info [like I said]. That is standard OP's MO = Missing OPtion. Bottom line. The bike is running. Too many variables to call what it was, like who cares what the OP does to his bike... You? Ain't my bike. I don't care how your bike runs. To me, it runs. Tune up wise, it is not even close or there yet. Not in my book of, think out of the box tuning.
If you have an ear... I pound that manometer one cylinder at a time. I set my air to read 15:1 (+/-) AFR. That says, key off, last memory sniffed. Forum the concept, read the abstract:
"I set one air screw at a time. Year getting sleepee. I balance one screw [to the other]. Watch the shinny thing swing back and forth. Year eyes are getting seaweepee."
I can't help you if you can't see it. It is all about: How low you can set the idle with peak flow. It is all about how the slide is down with needle sent home. The lift up > Is peak pull. That pulls fuel faster out (lagone) as the needle rises. You ear lag that transition. Man0 nails it.
YOur ear sets the tune with the U or the transitional lag happening. The man0 sets the peak with0ut the lag. That line transition looks ------. Yours: -----___---- When the needle rises. You have no clue where it is. The man0 does.
SEAmoooooooothe air flow and man0up." :roll: Nature knows where to set the faster flow.
Basic Science.
You are getting whooPassed UP! PazYearAzzUP = Pay UP. Remember, I reverse the science, connected those penultimates together. Signed,
Dev Resinep = Connect and spelled with the reverse Engine-Ear-Ring in mind.
That is the abstract. Your movie is next, BB. It is all about needle moves and now check for transitional smoothing.
Hey, I wonder if you get it yet? One reason I am not an expert, nor do I listen to them. You do not bring the WHY that makes sense to me... Why, try to get out of this loop now. Proof. I bring proof. Simple science.