Sudden oil and smoke from exhaust both cylinders

[john sachs]

If the ball in the oil pump (closest tower to the case) sometimes will NOT seat, you can remove the spring and ball, put cigarette ash in the tower, the ball, and work it like lapping a valve. Clean, and re-assemble.The ash will usually remove any glaze or slight build up, to let the ball seat/seal properly to stop sumping.

 

[desertdawg]

Buy a oil scavenger to get the oil from the crankcase. I’m with HMAN on not removing the plug underneath from the case. The scavenger will get the old nasty 22 or so ounces out of the crankcase for you without having the worry of messing up the threads in the case.

I drain the tank first and remove reusable K&P filter and clean......pour in 2 quarts of Mobile synthetic then with the bike staged upright place a modified funnel at the filter base housing. With drain pan positioned start bike an run until clean oil at pan (approx quart). Install filter and top off tank after upper end filter inspection.....ride till hot and verify proper level (oil visible at filler when on kick stand or right at tube bottom upright). Replace o ring at tank if needed......

 

[Mickmorris]

Okay, but if my cases are flooded with oil and I don't drain it out and I use the sump method won't I be putting oil back into the cases as it's going out of the sump and therefore still have too much oil in the cases or will it pump out faster than it's going in??

I drain the tank first and remove reusable K&P filter and clean......pour in 2 quarts of Mobile synthetic then with the bike staged upright place a modified funnel at the filter base housing. With drain pan positioned start bike an run until clean oil at pan (approx quart). Install filter and top off tank after upper end filter inspection.....ride till hot and verify proper level (oil visible at filler when on kick stand or right at tube bottom upright). Replace o ring at tank if needed......

sounds like a homemade version of the scavenger. It was well worth the $50 for the scavenger. I use it on all my S&S engines. No mess at all. Glad you have figured out a viable alternative.

 

[desertdawg]

sounds like a homemade version of the scavenger. It was well worth the $50 for the scavenger. I use it on all my S&S engines. No mess at all. Glad you have figured out a viable alternative.

Damn....completely unaware.......I'm getting one of those......bet the dealers use those huh? thanks

 

[Snuffy]

Damn....completely unaware.......I'm getting one of those......bet the dealers use those huh? thanks

Lmao. No way. Most dealers would just leave the dirty oil in the sump.

 

[Jersey James]

Hello Gentleman. I just don't understand what the problem is with draining the engine oil via way of the crankcase drain (of course also using the oil tank drain). I own 5 bikes and change my oil every thousand miles, always draining the engine crankcase, NEVER a problem, been doing it this way for many many years. Just have to use your noggin, don't cross thread and do NOT over tighten. Works for me. YMMV...

 

[HMAN]

"Just have to use your noggin, don't cross thread and do NOT over tighten."

Thats where most mess up. And once you do, ur kinda screwed. Good advice.

 

[desertdawg]

Hello Gentleman. I just don't understand what the problem is with draining the engine oil via way of the crankcase drain (of course also using the oil tank drain). I own 5 bikes and change my oil every thousand miles, always draining the engine crankcase, NEVER a problem, been doing it this way for many many years. Just have to use your noggin, don't cross thread and do NOT over tighten. Works for me. YMMV...

Only response I would even entertain as your way is your way.....wouldn't you want to flush the dirty engine oil from all the nooks, crannies, oil pump, lines and every where a gravity drain doesn't suffice? Look, I'm not picking at your procedure but can tell you as of yesterday my Scavenger is inbound and to be honest, I'd bet they'd entertain a group buy.....

 

[HMAN]

Only response I would even entertain as your way is your way.....wouldn't you want to flush the dirty engine oil from all the nooks, crannies, oil pump, lines and every where a gravity drain doesn't suffice? Look, I'm not picking at your procedure but can tell you as of yesterday my Scavenger is inbound and to be honest, I'd bet they'd entertain a group buy.....

You gonna like the Scavenger. We need somebody to design a decent "drain" plate to stick under the oil filter when changing. Ive made one that mostly works but I'd dang sure buy a better one if it was available.

 

[chubs]

You gonna like the Scavenger. We need somebody to design a decent "drain" plate to stick under the oil filter when changing. Ive made one that mostly works but I'd dang sure buy a better one if it was available.

Okay Big Mike, your up! lets see what you can get outta that 3D printer! We're all counting on you to keep that dirty filter oil off our clean machines!

 

[Snuffy]

I must say that people who are taking this as oh no you’re doing it wrong well, come on dude. It’s a thread giving advice to a new big dog guy. If the way you do it works , by all means you can continue to do it that way and no one would be offended. I’m also sure that no one would care if you didn’t comment about the subject unless you feel like your comment might benefit the one asking for advice. IMO. Ho, Ho, Ho
If this reply offends you then you should be aware I identify as an asshole and am not concerned about your feelings. Happy Holidays!

 

[Rottweiler]

You gonna like the Scavenger. We need somebody to design a decent "drain" plate to stick under the oil filter when changing. Ive made one that mostly works but I'd dang sure buy a better one if it was available.

Yeah cutting up a old cereal box close to the correct shape. Then trying to slide it in there only gets about half of the oil. Then you get mad and pull it back out. Oil everywhere.

 

[Mickmorris]

This is what I use, with a measuring cup under the hose. May lose a drop or two but certainly no mess. For the life of me I can’t remember where I got it. Should be able to find it on google.

 

[Rottweiler]

WOW

Amazon.com

 

[Rottweiler]

Just ordered mine

 

[TreeGuru]

Just ordered mine

I ordered one, I always had to hand craft mine every time I changed my fluids.

 

[2005 Chopper]

So if anybody's still following this here's how it went. I drained the oil out of the tank. I went against most the recommendations and pulled the plug on the bottom of the cases. And I am glad I did. There was 2 quarts of oil in the cases! I am not exaggerating. I put a 2 quart food container underneath it and it filled it I thought it was going to run over. Don't know what the big deal about the bottom plug is. The one in mine is not pipe thread it's machine thread and has a flat face and a o-ring. But then these cases are not original. I'm pretty sure she started out as an 04 107-in. The title I got is an 05 assembled motorcycle. Not big dog . Cases left the S&S Factory in '06 with 3 1/8 in bore. Didn't even rejet the carb. I had to work that out. But I digress. I pulled the check ball and spring out of the oil pump as well as a slider tube and spring out of the tall tower. Blew the oil out of that it all looked good. I pulled the oil filter pulled the plugs turned her over a bunch quite a bit more oil out ran a good half quart the new oil through it. Put it all back together top the oil off fired her up took a minute to blow everything out. Put a new set of plugs in her and everything was all right again. Lesson learned always pay attention to how much oil comes out and how much you put back in thanks to all for all your thoughts and advice. Ride her hard!

 

[2005 Chopper]

This is Grace.

 

[Snuffy]

So if anybody's still following this here's how it went. I drained the oil out of the tank. I went against most the recommendations and pulled the plug on the bottom of the cases. And I am glad I did. There was 2 quarts of oil in the cases! I am not exaggerating. I put a 2 quart food container underneath it and it filled it I thought it was going to run over. Don't know what the big deal about the bottom plug is. The one in mine is not pipe thread it's machine thread and has a flat face and a o-ring. But then these cases are not original. I'm pretty sure she started out as an 04 107-in. The title I got is an 05 assembled motorcycle. Not big dog . Cases left the S&S Factory in '06 with 3 1/8 in bore. Didn't even rejet the carb. I had to work that out. But I digress. I pulled the check ball and spring out of the oil pump as well as a slider tube and spring out of the tall tower. Blew the oil out of that it all looked good. I pulled the oil filter pulled the plugs turned her over a bunch quite a bit more oil out ran a good half quart the new oil through it. Put it all back together top the oil off fired her up took a minute to blow everything out. Put a new set of plugs in her and everything was all right again. Lesson learned always pay attention to how much oil comes out and how much you put back in thanks to all for all your thoughts and advice. Ride her hard!

Glad you got her going again. Also glad it was easy fix and you learned from it. Happy riding !

 

[SKOGDOG]

The big deal about the bottom plug is that you’re torquing the plug into the split case— aluminum. Repeated or over-torquing can strip it—and because it’s not very easy to get to (you have to work upside down) it’s a bitch to deal with. I’m pretty sure there are members who are very careful about this and have no issues. But if you like to cinch down drain plugs, you are dancin’ with the devil.