What Octane rating do you use

Unlshd

Member
I use 91 Octane and when the temps go to tripple digits; I head to the speed shop for Sonoco 110 Leaded Race Fuel to mix with 91 octane pump. A 50/50 mix gets 97 octane not an average like you would think. The reason I go up when temps go up is to avoid detonation on rear piston from low speed stop/go city traffic allowing it to get heat soaked due to low airflow.

Delear (also an owner) recomended turning bike off if at red lights. I asked him about adding race fuel instead and he agreed that might be better than all the start loads to starter and battery.

As for av-gas; it is not oxygenated it is designed for supercharged aircraft. It has same blend stocks as leaded race fuel. Both are a blend of of Light Alkylate, High Severity Reformate, Toluene and Tetra Ethyl Lead. I used to blend gasoline at the ConocoPhillips refinery here in Billings, MT and during summer fire seasons I was blending 100ll av-gas at a rate of 36,000 bbls a week or 1,512,000 gallons. The last I heared modern prop driven aircraft are using unleaded gasoline or; if it's a turbo prop, jet fuel (basicly kerosene unless it's JP4 military spec.). 100 ll will eventually be phased out similar to leaded fuel was for cars. Target year was for that 2020.

The difference between 100 LL Aviation and 110 Race is how they acheive the higher octane. Refineries use; more toluene and less lead/reformate in 100LL Aviation (compaired to 110 leaded Sunoco). Toluene has a less lubricating capabilities and slower burn rate making it respond slower to sudden throttle variances. Aircraft throttle up and once at elvation maintain constant throttle applications with not alot of load.

Jim
 
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liferider

Looking forward to retirement
I run 91 Octane usually, but mostly if I'm leaving from my house I fuel up out of race cans I keep full with 100 Octane. When I go to Sturgis I bring 5-5gal. cans of it with me. I fuel up in the mornings with the 100 Octane I bring with me , then later in the day I top off enough to get back to the house we rent by purchasing 90+. Makes a big differance in the S&S motors! Even in the Harley Ultra Classic with all the engine work I have done to it, it loves the 100 Octane racing fuel!
 

mzinna

Zman
I ONLY buy 93 (94 where I can find it) always... unless I'm out and about and have to use 87... most places at least carry 91.... but, I always get the highest available. If i were in mountain areas, such as traveling through Colorado in the west or the appalachians to the East... I would use octane boost in my tank fulls.....
 

liferider

Looking forward to retirement
Look up in your phonebooks under fuel. Example, I use Smith Oil here in Shreveport. They sell aviation fuel 110 octaine, they also sell racing fuel 100 octaine. I just carry 5-5gallon containers in my truck and fuel them up with the 100 octaine. I run it in both my HD Ultra and my Big Dog. I also run it in my lawn mowers, weed eaters and portable grnerators.
 

minermark

Active Member
91 with a little Lucas Diesel/gas treatment.
Now here is why:
Dodge 3500 cummings loves this lucas stuff, because it's fuel injected and the injectors run perfect, dyno when i bought the truck, before i used lucas, then after a month of lucas, the results were amazing.
Talikng to a mechanic, he was saying ALL injectors are little solinoids and they work really well when lubed just a little.
So i added some to the old lady's toyota, amazing, you barely hear it running.
So then the f150 truck, the engine light finely turns off after 4 years, and it's got pep.
Time for the dog test, 3/4 oz per two gals, i have no internal engine noise and no complaints.
If your running something injected, try it. hell i even run it in the lawnmower.......
 
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Sven

Well-Known Member
I'm going with the 'wildman's take on the subject. I'll try a stab at the sequence. I got me here dis high compression engine. If dis engine knocks, I up the octane. The more rating, the less it fires off under kinetic energy. A high compression engine whips up some friction so hot, it can blow off fuel without being lit like you need a spark plug?

If you jack the throttle all like a squid, not smooth like the engine should never hear a knock, then run the cheap chit. If you jerk your throttle like you fill in the blank, then yeah, you will need the corn additive just so you gain some HP you would not without the corn = More Oxygen!

Where are the corn mashers of the fuel industry? WOT gov idiots got involved with the smashing of the gas can/station/pump & Drive. You could party bringing home the stuff! Fill her up and drive home. You have a beer logger handle off the gas tank, where are the beer chasers?

Slow between that octane using some slow fuel, you jerking the knocking of the engine, that filler handle is for you dare is fill in the blank. I'm not saying you as in any of you. I am saying, step on the carpet if that is you. Not my problem you feeding that higher number out of your wallet. And to be politically correct around here, I'll shut up about that extra money flow.

How about that additive crap'ran down the injector and sorta sticks when you be sitting the bike for months on end. The car runs daily-rain-snow-etc. Lube dries/sticks/runs slow/needs an additive to wipe away more oil additive. Now you fill the back of the intake valve with carbon build.

The injector is an electromagnet. If that lube quiets the noise, that says more oil to burn = Builds on the in-valve. You will need a cleaner and they are showing you a valve at that cash window about how their brand cleans valves. Better living thru chemistry and you bet that chit cleans valves. I could not believe it till I saw it myself. I'm a believer.

My bike has 12:1 to 1 compression by the factory. The book compression reading says you are fine if the reading is between 145 - 228 PSI. Just so I can print my data, I have used the lowest octane, used any oil with any blend I wanted [to prove to myself]. In other words, you start in with an oil thread, you need to prove to me, I use 30 year old straight 50w. The other half is topped off with whatever is around, meaning, either syn 10w40 or plain old 5w30. That says 3 different blends running inside it. How is it, I beat crap out of that bike; have 220 psi after 23,000 miles; no additives; never used premium; I don't wanna look stupid more than I am showing the data. Even have it on video so I can call you on your kind of tune up you are receiving.

WOT happened to your gas tank and crankcase? Dies the air cleaner takes the engine down some pounds? I think so. I bet if we all handed in our compression readings, they'd be all over the place... Dis is like an oil thread. Know your air cleaner is to know your throttle apply. No, let me.

WTF?
 

Fibersnake

Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Normally 93/92 at the pump, though it runs good on 87 with no issues.

For the most part higher octane is not going to matter for octane is for preventing knocking and ping and if it is a stock build, 87 should work fine, if it shows signs of knock/ping up the octane to see if the it requires a higher blend.

Recent there was another thread about quench/squish/compression ratio, etc buy John Sachs which has some good information in it, but without getting into it too much for those that mod or have work done on their top side, quench/squish/CR into play in regards to ping/knock issues and thus octane requirement.

We can also talk about voodo stuff, what we been told, what we have seen, etc, but when it comes down to end of the day, octane has been well addressed and if one wants to really understand the basis and physic along with mechanical of what goes on in the combustion chamber, I would recommend seeing if you can find at the old book store the best book on such written a long time ago by Sir Henry Ricardo called "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine" first written in 1931. Another very good source is a books by Philip Hubert Smith called "The Design and Tuning of Competition Engines" and "Scientific Design of Exhaust and Intake Systems (Engineering and Performance)" both written back in the early 70's. Excellent books and the data and basis is as solid today as when they were written.
 

Fibersnake

Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
98 only :2thumbs:
I assuming you are referring to 98 like you find in Europe? If so, it is based on RON (Research Octane Number) where in the US the octane is AKI (Anti Knock Index).

If so there tends to be about 4-5 difference on numbers since AKI is a average between RON and MON (Motor Octane Number), thus a 98 in Spain would be an equal to 93-94 here in the US.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
I assuming you are referring to 98 like you find in Europe? If so, it is based on RON (Research Octane Number) where in the US the octane is AKI (Anti Knock Index).

If so there tends to be about 4-5 difference on numbers since AKI is a average between RON and MON (Motor Octane Number), thus a 98 in Spain would be an equal to 93-94 here in the US.
That´s interesting to know. Yes, in Europe you only find 95 & 98 at the pumps.

Thanks Fiber. :cheers:
 

BADOG

Active Member
When I lived in NY 93 was available, now here in Vegas the highest available is 91.
Never used anything less, but have tried 100 on more than several occasions. Didn't feel much of a diiference except in my wallet.
I've always believed high performance engines run better with higher octane fuel.
 
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