What is a MSO?

[Maverick]

I'm looking a 2000 Big Dog to replace the one I had stolen last month. I found one, and when I text the guy selling asking if it has a clean title, he said it has never been tagged and has a MSO. Con anyone here explain that to me, and what would it take to get a title?

 

[woodbutcher]

Maverick, the MSO is the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. this is the "title" that goes from the manufacturer to the dealer. once the dealer sells the bike to a customer, the MSO is sent to the DMV and they issue a Title. at least this is the way i understand it to be. don't know whether it will cause you any headaches or not.. good luck, and check the mileage. it should be super low just by the fact it "has never had a tag". buyer beware.

 

[Maverick]

2700 miles on it, so pretty low.

 

[showdog]

If he truly has the Manufacturers Statement of Origin you shouldn't have any trouble getting it titled. There are still a few dozen new BD's in and around the Wichita area with MSO's that have never been titled either.

 

[FrankBDPS]

Contact the DMV in you're state. You may have to have it inspected and repaired if they find anything wrong. I would tell the guy to go get a clear title in his name if he wants to sell it.

 

[showdog]

Just out of curiosity does this bike happen to be in Wichita, if so I know the seller and the bike and your good as gold with the MSO. If it happens to be elsewhere then I would ask him to title it first.

 

[Maverick]

I'd be having it titled in Kansas, but buying in Arkansas. That may or may not complicate things. It's a hell of a deal if I can get a title for it. I'm going to run down tomorrow and take a look at it.

I also wonder if there would be any issues with back taxes, etc. Its been sitting around all these years without a title or tags, so I'm guessing no one has bothered to pay taxes on it the last fifteen years. A call to the DMV will defiantly be in order Monday before I hand over any cash.

 

[Maverick]

Just out of curiosity does this bike happen to be in Wichita, if so I know the seller and the bike and your good as gold with the MSO. If it happens to be in Lyons then I would ask him to title it first.

This bike is in Arkansas right now, but hard to say were its been over the last fifteen years.

 

[showdog]

I'd be having it titled in Kansas, but buying in Arkansas. That may or may not complicate things. It's a hell of a deal if I can get a title for it. I'm going to run down tomorrow and take a look at it.

I also wonder if there would be any issues with back taxes, etc. Its been sitting around all these years without a title or tags, so I'm guessing no one has bothered to pay taxes on it the last fifteen years. A call to the DMV will defiantly be in order Monday before I hand over any cash.

Actually there shouldn't be any taxes owed. It would be different if it had been titled but not tagged in Kansas for the past 15 years but because it has sat in Rodney's shop not being sold for 15 years really should pose no issues.

It's no different than the NOS Matt acquired when he bought out the intellectual and stock from BDM. He wound up with bikes from back in the beginning of BD that have never been titled.

 

[BBChopper]

How did it get 2700 miles with a MSO?

 

[showdog]

How did it get 2700 miles with a MSO?

Riding on dealer tags. We regularly sent new bikes to dealers with 1500+ on the odometer that had been used as factory demo bikes.

 

[BWG56]

How did it get 2700 miles with a MSO?

If I had 2 bikes and only licensed one, I could switch the plates, I have not had my bike inspected since 07' when I bought it. And if you had 2 harleys and 1 license they do not check the vin# anyway when your pulled over, I have never seen a LEO look at the vin#

 

[Maverick]

I uploaded a couple pictures of the bike to my original post. Look familiar to anyone.

 

[pknowles]

If I had 2 bikes and only licensed one, I could switch the plates, I have not had my bike inspected since 07' when I bought it. And if you had 2 harleys and 1 license they do not check the vin# anyway when your pulled over, I have never seen a LEO look at the vin#

Cool until you have a wreck and they do check the vin.even in the right you may be wrong.

 

[kickstart]

If I had 2 bikes and only licensed one, I could switch the plates, I have not had my bike inspected since 07' when I bought it. And if you had 2 harleys and 1 license they do not check the vin# anyway when your pulled over, I have never seen a LEO look at the vin#

Both bikes would have to be the same color or the LEO might start checking the VIN

 

[BWG56]

Cool until you have a wreck and they do check the vin.even in the right you may be wrong.

Tru Dat, I'm not condoning that type of activity, except the inspection, but so many people are driving around without insurance and no drivers license either, which is very sad. I was just saying there are ways people could put miles on a bike without registration. Here in Pa. they would take the bike until you prove otherwise, but that still don't mean its right. My neighbor used to switch plates all the time on his bikes and I don't think he had insurance on all of them and here's the kicker, he was a retired State Trooper. Yes, you heard me correct, some think they are above the law and I only said SOME.

 

[FrankBDPS]

In ohio that is fraudulent plate. Look to pay a tow bill, have you're bike impounded and it is a criminal offense.

We are lucky so far in my county, no inspections state or epa.

 

[BWG56]

Both bikes would have to be the same color or the LEO might start checking the VIN

In Pa. they don't have the color on the registration even for vehicles

 

[liferider]

Contact the DMV in you're state. You may have to have it inspected and repaired if they find anything wrong. I would tell the guy to go get a clear title in his name if he wants to sell it.

Even if it cost you $500-$1000 more I believe it would be worth it! I see a huge headache ! The MSO was for the original owner (the guy who currently owns the bike) he was to lazy to go get a title. MSO's are NON transferable from buyer to buyer, that's called a Title!!!!!!!!!! He either gets the title or PASS on this bike!

 

[Maverick]

Well the guy selling it just contacted me and said he had just sold it, so now it can be somebody else's headache to deal with. If he can get a title for it, it will be a great deal at the $4000 he was asking for it.