Transmission problem?

Guitarman

Member
I was on here a while back asking some trans questions. I still haven't figured my problem out yet. I have all new fluids in trans, motor and primary. When I'm riding and I pull the clutch in to downshift it has kind of "whining gear chattering sound" as soon as it hits 1st gear (that's with the clutch pulled in). Not a good description of sound, I know, but that's the best way I can describe it. I kicked it into nuetral while coasting but i didn't really hear anything, it's real noticeable once I hit 1st. It's an 05 ridgeback. Like I said before, the guy I bought it from said the gears were "backcut". Not sure what that means or if it could have anything to do with the sound. I took a video of the sound today but couldn't figure out how to post it. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks
 

Mr. Wright

Knows some things
Supporting Member
You just need to bring that thing over here to me and lets figure it out. You have a trailer?
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
...the guy I bought it from said the gears were "backcut". Not sure what that means or if it could have anything to do with the sound.
I'm going to take a guess from way over here, no trailer needed.

This was back in the day you would tumble the gears so they'd be nice and polished in walnuts was it? The other trick was to 'backcut,' meaning, the 'dogs' or the nipples that stick out of the gear, the dogs enter the slots in the other gear.

While this dog is pushing the other gear in the slot, we want a lot of meat there, because that is full surface dog side on that one side of the 'dog tooth' is being slammed into that slot, so you want the most bite, the most contact. That's the load side.

When you lift, roll off the throttle, the dog is now being loaded on the coast side of the dog. Under Load it's quiet, right? Coast it whines as in take a wet finger and rub it around an empty wine glass. Hear that ringing right at the edge of the glass? How much surface is touching that lip? Not much, right?

This is now the sound of the coast side being the 'back' side; is having less material [contact] at the back of the dog; so it sings/rings; is the 'cut' side; is the noise you hear on lift. Why the cut? At the time, we had toggle switches that dialed in rev limiters to the coils, but could not think of setting up a kill switch to the coils at the time. So the backcut was trying to out shift the lift that happened in that short a slot. Old style goes; lift off the throttle, pull the clutch in, all that time and coast was there in a millisecond. So it was easier to pull the gear out under that instant coast load with less material to drag out of the slot. This way you could pop out easier and shift more solidly to the next gear.

This turned that gear trick for racing obsolete. They now use a built-in shifter that kills the spark. Now, no engine load under lift; no clutch lever pull; no throttle lift; just shift with the hand at WOT.

How close am I? U-haul and I haul a theory.
 

BadDawg Bill

Well-Known Member
I'm going to take a guess from way over here, no trailer needed.

This was back in the day you would tumble the gears so they'd be nice and polished in walnuts was it? The other trick was to 'backcut,' meaning, the 'dogs' or the nipples that stick out of the gear, the dogs enter the slots in the other gear.

While this dog is pushing the other gear in the slot, we want a lot of meat there, because that is full surface dog side on that one side of the 'dog tooth' is being slammed into that slot, so you want the most bite, the most contact. That's the load side.

When you lift, roll off the throttle, the dog is now being loaded on the coast side of the dog. Under Load it's quiet, right? Coast it whines as in take a wet finger and rub it around an empty wine glass. Hear that ringing right at the edge of the glass? How much surface is touching that lip? Not much, right?

This is now the sound of the coast side being the 'back' side; is having less material [contact] at the back of the dog; so it sings/rings; is the 'cut' side; is the noise you hear on lift. Why the cut? At the time, we had toggle switches that dialed in rev limiters to the coils, but could not think of setting up a kill switch to the coils at the time. So the backcut was trying to out shift the lift that happened in that short a slot. Old style goes; lift off the throttle, pull the clutch in, all that time and coast was there in a millisecond. So it was easier to pull the gear out under that instant coast load with less material to drag out of the slot. This way you could pop out easier and shift more solidly to the next gear.

This turned that gear trick for racing obsolete. They now use a built-in shifter that kills the spark. Now, no engine load under lift; no clutch lever pull; no throttle lift; just shift with the hand at WOT.

How close am I? U-haul and I haul a theory.
1+ Yep....:up:
 

Guitarman

Member
I think I found my problem as to why it's kicking out of gear and missing shifts. I took it down the road today and the shift lever would not return after down shifting. I think the linkage just needs lubed. I let it sit in neutral and idle while i listened and I guess it wasn't all the way in neutral and It popped into gear while setting there. Why would the noise be so distinct when I downshift into first gear? I also just talked to a guy who had a custom chopper and he said his would do the same thing once he hit 1st gear. He said he would wait till he came to a stop before putting it in 1st. Anyone else's sound this way?
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
I think I found my problem as to why it's kicking out of gear and missing shifts. I took it down the road today and the shift lever would not return after down shifting. I think the linkage just needs lubed. I let it sit in neutral and idle while i listened and I guess it wasn't all the way in neutral and It popped into gear while setting there. Why would the noise be so distinct when I downshift into first gear? I also just talked to a guy who had a custom chopper and he said his would do the same thing once he hit 1st gear. He said he would wait till he came to a stop before putting it in 1st. Anyone else's sound this way?
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bruce

Active Member
There are joints on each end of the shift rod, that go bad. I think they are called hemp joints, they stick. Easy to replace.
 

Mr. Wright

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Supporting Member
Bring it on over, and let check it over and double make sure your not loosing a bearing or something. Maybe I can get out your way on the 18th or 25th.
Text me, don't PM me.
 

BBChopper

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How fast are you going when you down shift into 1st? I never down shift into first, there is no need. I go strait to neutral from 2nd.
 

Mr. Wright

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Supporting Member
He sent me a video, and after actually reading something that Sven wrote and understanding it, I'm going to have to agree with him, that's exactly what it sounds like. I'll get with him and make sure. Anybody against putting a little STP in the trans to quiet down a little, if that is want the noise is?
 

03pitdog

Member
I run lucas additive in my trans and oil really really big difference in shifting any noise and especially finding neutral.can tell when time to change when starts getting hard to get neutral once changed no problem like glass
 

03pitdog

Member
Have always ran lucas75/140 synthetic gear oil and about 8ounces of lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer makes things quiet and smooth even finding neutral is a breeze as long as clutch is adjusted properly of course works for me love it.
 

francoblay1

The Spaniard
Bare feet or with boots?

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