Shifting and Neutral...

[headshothills]

Hey Guys..

Read up on the clutch adjustment thread start to finish... Made the adjustments, and things are better than what they were..

Here's my question... Coming from liter bikes, dirt bikes, and other stuff, if I am stopped and in 1st, It is impossible to find neutral, for instance, stopped at a light....

Shifting if fine, putting it in first is fine, it doesnt pull, will go into first... The only way I can hit neutral is if I click into it as Im coming to a stop, which is super easy to do..

Is this the nature of these transmissions? I did read where someone said rev a couple hundred RPM's, and it should slip into neutral... But again.. From a dead stop, in gear, trying to find neutral... Aint happening...

Thanks in advance...

 

[headshothills]

it appears after some searching through the forums that this is the nature of the beast..

Ill change the fluids too and see if this helps a little, the clutch adjustment was a must, that was the easy part...

I havent tried revving it once stopped to see if I can find neutral.... As long as I click it before I stop, Im good.. Which seems like the norm....

 

[francoblay1]

Yup, nature of the Beast!

 

[Sven]

An ever so tiny warp to keep pressure on the gears. Check the plates in a static stack of steels on top of each other. Where is the air gap?

As you disassemble the clutch, all steels have a cut side and a round edge. See if all cuts face you as they are removed. If turned?

Lay all your left fingers on your right fingers. See that pressure or memory? Lay one hand over the other and watch our fingers both follow each other together. See no pressure finding N?

 

[BBChopper]

Tap the gas or hit it before you come to a full stop, slides right in!:2thumbs:

 

[cdogg556]

Yea as previously mentioned, tapping the "gas" has always worked for me!

 

[mittens]

Mine was the same. Rolling or tap the throttle.

Now its a M1 tranny, so should be easy as shit now! ha.

 

[headshothills]

Perfect guys.... Thank you to everyone that replied....

Glad this is newbie learning curve stuff, as Im sure ill have many more questions...

 

[BadDawg Bill]

I have done all the adjustments and still can't get neutral with my foot. I have to bend down and shift it by hand. Tried the rev thing too and no go. PIA....

 

[garyb69]

I have done all the adjustments and still can't get neutral with my foot. I have to bend down and shift it by hand. Tried the rev thing too and no go. PIA....

Same as you buddy, i gave up with trying to find it with my foot.

 

[bearman]

Try thinner oil in the primary (some use transmission fluid), and use 32 oz not 40 oz..

I use 10w-30, instead of straight 30w, and I have no problems finding neutral. I also have a 9 plate clutch, instead of 12, so that helps.

The 9 plate uses the same friction plates (just fewer of them) but thicker steels. So less warping on the steels and bigger gaps between plates when clutch is pulled makes mine work great.

 

[mittens]

Where do you buy thicker plates?

 

[mittens]

12 plates = a certain thickness. lets say 40mm thick for the pack.

9 plates = that same 140mm thickness, just with less plates but thicker ones.

the ball and ramp attached to the clutch cable is still moving the same amount. lets assume 10mm between in and out ont he clutch.

so clamped its 40mm, and released its 50mm so there is a 0.83mm Gap between the 12 plates..

vs

1.11mm gap between the 9 plates.

SO your saying that that extra 0.28mm gap allows a lot less drag on the clutch when yor trying to not go anywhere. I can see that.

BUT 12 plates has a lot more friction area-thus- more holding power when you want to play.

 

[mittens]

I will stick with a stiff clutch that Grabs.. I hate weak ass clutches.

 

[headshothills]

I tried the throttle blip, dont know if I didnt blip it enough, but it didnt slide in...

I thought someone said blip it to 2k.. Didnt wanna be "That Guy" at the light revving like an idiot trying to find neutral.. But I will try again...

 

[mittens]

On my old set up i could put just a little pressure on the shifter from coming from 1st going to N, and with a small rev, and maybe a rock of the bike forward or backward it would click in to N.

Mine now has a N1 shift patter so N shoul dbe dead simple to find ha.

 

[bearman]

Where do you buy thicker plates?

I got mine a couple years ago from ebay in a replacement clutch kit that came with friction discs and steel discs.
The seller I got mine from said they were the OEM supplier for baker. So far it works great.

 

[headshothills]

Not that this is gonna help anyone... But, obviously did the clutch adjustment, and still found it hard to find neutral at a complete stop...

Changed the fluids in Tranny and Primary, now it slips right in....

 

[BadDawg Bill]

Not that this is gonna help anyone... But, obviously did the clutch adjustment, and still found it hard to find neutral at a complete stop...

Changed the fluids in Tranny and Primary, now it slips right in....

Ya, ya, but what about getting the shifter in neutral???

 

[headshothills]

Ya, ya, but what about getting the shifter in neutral???

So I noticed after the fluids change it would slip right in when it was cooler, after riding and stop and go here in AZ heat, at a dead stop and fluids warm/hot this weekend, it was a bitch finding neutral.. Oh well wishful thinking I guess, didnt try the rev deal, just held the clutch in...