Racing Gas??

[scubaman15]

Does anybody mix "Cam2" or other racing gas in there dogs ? I'm not really looking for more power but the quality of fuels hear and I suspect all over is so very poor that I'm looking to clean up combustion chambers and valves ...I was told this was a good way to decarbon ? Its available right up the road at a bargan $6.00 per gal "110 octane" and the same person told me he mixes a bit "like a quart" in each tank and he can feel the results? Lets hear it from all you HP junkies... ?? VROOMMMM I'm a bit worried about the lead but it was a good thing years ago??

 

[BubbleHead]

as you know scuba, i only use that which you turned me on to. i find that to be doing a great job. i'm never without a bottle.

 

[scubaman15]

UPDATE Ok it was killing me I had to try it ...Went on a poker run today with aprox150 bikes ..good time was had ..but the big news was the Cam2 , I bought $24.00 "four Gal" at local gas station can only buy in gas can . anyway got home and mixed about one gal to aprox three and filled the pup up ..well let me tell ya ..NOT a SINGLE cough or sputter .the bike ran GREAT!!!! but the huge news was the fuel mileage the run was aprox 96miles and at 98 I fueled up at a BP station hightest it took two gals ...That my frends is give or take 49 mpg WOW and the tail pipes were WHITE as snow now I don't know if I will be using this mix much but it tells me that the fuel I have been running is SHIT and even with Lucas it can't match the newest puppy food I'm feeding my baby ... I still have three gals of this super food and plan to only use it once in a while but:up: :up: I'm impressed. VROOM. Give it a try ... I know the 117 is not very high compression but even so the engine ran like a watch with what I feel was a bit extra HP!!!! The white pipes tell me the motor liked it too ...

 

[Vegas]

You do realize it's leaded right?

 

[Black Dawg]

I mix a gallon of 110 occasionally to a tank. Bumps the octane to about 97 or so. Makes a huge difference as it'll occasionally knock on pure 91. Leaded is fine but it might shorten spark plug life. If you have 02 sensors don't use leaded.

 

[05ridgeback]

i mix vp110 1 gallon to 3 gallons 92 and a squirt of lucas fuel treatment
plugs looks great exhaust is silver /grey and the dog runs great! i am running
10.5.1 compression with cams

 

[jwoolf]

Racing fuel doesn't do anything for our bikes.

The ONLY reason one would need high octane is for a high compression engine that detonates/knocks/pings with lower octane. High octane retards combustion enough so that a high compression engine can fully compress the mixture before the engine ignites it.

If you buy more than premium, you're wasting your money, IMHO.

I run premium in mine most of the time but, to be honest, I've never had an issue with plus gas.

Hell, even if you cut the heads and jugs and add a hot cam, you can still get by with premium, I'm sure.

The oil companies want everyone to believe that premium is "better" gas but, it's not really unless your motor actually requires it.

 

[BubbleHead]

Scuba, I was intrested in your results from the Cam2 additive. But being a Lucas oil products guy, thanks to you, I went and bought the Lucas octane booster. I added 3 oz to my gas tank and filled it up. 15 oz. of octane boost treats 25 gallons of gas, thus the minor 3oz addition to my 3.8 gallons of gas in my tank. As well as the usual Lucas fuel treatment. Right out of the box I noticed what seems to be smoother acceleration, better power curve and a better idle. I cleaned and polished my tail pipes in side and so I will watch for the resiude that gets deposited after a while. I will pull my brand new today, NGK plugs in about 100 miles and check them as well. All my other plugs would get very carbon black on the front cylinder and slightly lighter on the rear cylinder before using the octane boost so we will see. I realize that the front cylinder will always burn cooloer than the rear so thus the slightly blacker residue on the front plug but I'm intrested in seeing if this makes a difference. Also going to check my mileage since filling it up with 93 octane gas and the two Lucas products.
Will report back later.

 

[Gas Man]

Racing fuel doesn't do anything for our bikes.

The ONLY reason one would need high octane is for a high compression engine that detonates/knocks/pings with lower octane. High octane retards combustion enough so that a high compression engine can fully compress the mixture before the engine ignites it.

If you buy more than premium, you're wasting your money, IMHO.

I run premium in mine most of the time but, to be honest, I've never had an issue with plus gas.

Hell, even if you cut the heads and jugs and add a hot cam, you can still get by with premium, I'm sure.

The oil companies want everyone to believe that premium is "better" gas but, it's not really unless your motor actually requires it.

Exactly!!

 

[BubbleHead]

I'm not saying I disagree with you Jwolf or Gas, this is a sort of test on my part in real world conditions to see if there is truth to all the claims these products make. Like I said, will post after giving them a chance to prove themselves.:2thumbs:

Exactly!!

 

[Gas Man]

Plus... today's prem with ethynol isn't pure prem anymore.

 

[BubbleHead]

That is VERY TRUE Chris. It isn't, so I thought I might give atry to making it a little more like true premium and see what happens. I remember when you could buy real 100 octane gas everyday at almost any pump.

 

[scubaman15]

The 117 is 9.6:1 Comp ratio not a high comp motor but I'm thinking that the fuel I'm buying hear is crap? I don't know but I could feel a difference and see the difference in the tail pipe ..Read this...

[Will my vehicle run better on high
octane gasoline?
No, not necessarily. Using a higher octane than
is recommended will provide no additional
benefit to the engine. You may find that your
gas mileage or power increases. In which case,
you may get the same result from a tune-up.
Some newer vehicles have electronic knock
sensors, which may cause you to notice a slight
improvement in performance when using a
higher octane gasoline.
Is all premium or regular gasoline
equal?
The octane rating for gasoline labeled as
“premium” or “regular” is not consistent across
the country. To ensure you know what rating
you are buying, look at the yellow octane sticker
on the gas pump instead of relying on the name.
How much will it cost me to use a
higher grade of gasoline?
On average, it costs 5 cents per octane point
between regular 87 gasoline and mid-grade 89
octane. It costs about 3 cents per octane point
between mid-grade 89 and premium 92 octane
gasoline. If you are consistently purchasing a
higher octane than you need, this money will
add up quickly.
What else influences my car’s octane
requirements?
Temperature: Hotter air and engine coolant
increase your octane requirements.
Altitude: Higher altitudes decrease your octane
requirement.
Humidity: Drier air increases your octane
requirement.
Engine spark timing: If your engine’s spark
timing is increased, your octane requirement
increases.
Driving method: Rapid acceleration and heavy
loading increase your octane requirement.
For More Information:
503-986-4670
Believe what you want .. O yea and by the way the rapid Acceleration is one way to discribe my driving method ..IMHO:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[BubbleHead]

"O yea and by the way the rapid Acceleration is one way to discribe my driving method .."

Oh ain't that the truth :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[BigDogBro1]

YEP! The facts - plain and simple. Right on the money - Scuba.

 

[BubbleHead]

I'm not saying I disagree with you Jwolf or Gas, this is a sort of test on my part in real world conditions to see if there is truth to all the claims these products make. Like I said, will post after giving them a chance to prove themselves.:2thumbs:

After running approx. 5 tanks of 93 octane thru my tank since adding the Lucas Octane booster here is what I can definitely claim.... I picked up about 4 mpg, my tailpipes are just a golden brown instead of black like they were, my idle and acceleration is a bit smoother. I haven't pulled my plugs yet but I'm willing to guess they are a much better color than they used to be. So since a lot of the gas we buy, reg or high-test is dilluted a bit due to the etyhenol along with every time you pump gas from a single hose pump and the last guy that pumped reg before you pumped, your hightest ends up putting an amount of lower octane reg in your tank before the hightest starts in( the reg still in the hose and pump lines) it can't seem to hurt to put about 3 or 4 ounces of Lucas octane boost ( which I add the same amount of Lucas fuel treatment as well at the same time. Mixed together in the same bottle I keep in my tool bag). I've seen no signs yet of any negative effects and if nothing else it makes me feel better about the quality of the gas in my Dog's tank. That's my two cents.

 

[jwoolf]

Not sure if any of the racing fuel products actually do anything to increase the, "quality" of the gas. If what you're saying is true then, they must.

Octane actually makes gas less combustible so, if you don't require it and it costs more to buy it, why use it?

 

[BubbleHead]

well the Lucas fuel treatment does more than boost octane. It lubricates upper cylinder rings, clean the fuel system and keeps the valves and combustion chamber clean of deposits. So does the octane booster or so Lucas says. There are a lot of positive reviews for lucas products and so a little faith in there materials is warranted untill proven that they don't do these other benifical functions. If I can help protect my engine in these other ways with such a small investment, then why not?

 

[scubaman15]

well the Lucas fuel treatment does more than boost octane. It lubricates upper cylinder rings, clean the fuel system and keeps the valves and combustion chamber clean of deposits. So does the octane booster or so Lucas says. There are a lot of positive reviews for lucas products and so a little faith in there materials is warranted untill proven that they don't do these other benifical functions. If I can help protect my engine in these other ways with such a small investment, then why not?

You know I'm sold on the fuel treatment.. My little test last weekend ..was a eye opener . I do a lot of reading and been around ,have had "A FEW AIR COOLED MOTORS" appart and because you can not control the engine temp like you can with a liquid cooled engine you can get huge swings in Combustion temp's ,this causes or at least helps form deposits in combustion chamber/valves..This along with the FUCKED UP fuel we buy a hear in Richmond and I think other parts of the "cunttree" LOL had me looking for a better way ,and its only going to get worse "fuel quality" Anyway anything you can do to keep deposits off the intake valves is a good thing and if that were the only benfit of better fuel it would be worth it...but I'm telling everyone who reads this ..I don't care what anyone says MY DOG had never ran better than last weekend it was 95*and Humid , the 117 never coughed or missed a beat .. I did strangley notice at one stop it spun over a bit longer to start .."this was running aprox 1gal 110 Cam2 and three gals reg with a bit of hightest thrown in and two short squrts of Lucas fuel treatment "aprox 2oz". I never got better fuel mileage 49aprox and power I belive did pick up and I ran it hard most of the 98 miles on two gals of this mix ...anyway like I said before the plugs were easyer to read and the tail pipes were white!!!!!!! I'm not done with field testing yet and might never be ...to busy going from bar to bar , Dam I'm thirsty

 

[Gas Man]

How much is this Lucas treatment stuff?

If expensive, could you get the same thing from a simply fuel system cleaner additive?