Quick Clutch Question

[Thors]

Hi all,
I'm in the middle of going through spring checkups on the dog and I'm into the primary. Did some searching but couldn't find an answer. Is the clutch hub/gear assembly (#5 in attached pic) supposed to freely move in and out about 1/4"?? Based on the clutch assembly diagram it seems feasible but I figured I'd ask before I start tearing things down further. Clutch is working fine and adjustments work as expected. Clutch action is even while looking at the outer plate as it moves in and out.

Thanks!
Chris

 

[KaptinAmerika]

Nooooooo
Sounds Like The DreAded Clutch Hub Nut Loosening Up

 

[Thors]

Lol...thanks Kaptin. Noooooo is right. Love my bike but it's been one thing after another this spring. Oh well, good chance to tear it down and check the carrier. Now I have something (else) to do tomorrow! Thanks for the quick response, I'll take some pics if I find anything interesting.

 

[bigdogtech01]

Like Curtis said, it could be nut loose...otherwise, bearings in transmission or even the bearing carrier is broken...But, if it was the carrier, it would probably be making some god awful noise.

 

[Thors]

Thanks Andrew. Either way you're on my list for a tranny rebuild once I get another bike. I get the occasional pop-out-of gear and with my upcoming mods I want the tranny checked so nothing implodes. Hunting for a nice cruiser/bagger for commuting then I can finally start some mods on the dog.

 

[Sven]

I'm in the middle of going through spring checkups on the dog and I'm into the primary.

Let me get this straight. Hi guys, I have zip of any kind of clutch problems. However I have no clue about clutch function and I was just asking a question?

Is the clutch hub/gear assembly (#5 in attached pic) supposed to freely move in and out about 1/4"??

I think I have about 1/4" float of worn clutches. I think if I installed a new set and the pack took up about 1/8" of that wear, are we still going to float less is yes is my guess.

Based on the clutch assembly diagram it seems feasible but I figured I'd ask before I start tearing things down further.

I'm in here cleaning up, looking for debris, cleaning up any wear at the bottom case and I got curious. I can see somehow #5 can float somehow, and I don't think there is a nut loose, or I'd be having some sort of 'funny noises' if I turned right and the noise went away, but turn left and the basket floats or I hear a knock of the right turn I straighten back up and I get this knocking noise come spring time clean up.

Clutch is working fine and adjustments work as expected. Clutch action is even while looking at the outer plate as it moves in and out.

See, I'm just inside cleaning up looking at stuff. Figuring out #5 and stuff was all I was asking?

As opposed to a loose nut come springtime?

 

[Thors]

Sven, are you multiple people posting from the same account?!?! Earlier you posted in English and now we're back to gibberish. Color me confused... I would find it difficult to post something that...odd. Not creative enough I guess.

Anyway, I was hopeful it was the hub nut. I was less hopeful when it took a 2' breaker bar to loosen that dam thing. Carrier is busted, same as I've seen on other posts. Think I'll go with a Bandit....anyone recommend a dealer? I'd like to use a forum vendor if possible. Also, I think I saw a post about pressing out your own inner hub then heating the carrier and freezing the hub to reassemble. For the life of me I can't find that post though. Must be searching the wrong terms.

 

[Sven]

Sven, are you multiple people posting from the same account?!?! Earlier you posted in English and now we're back to gibberish.

The gibberish is how the OP comes across is how I have to come across.

Anyway, I was hopeful it was the hub nut. I was less hopeful when it took a 2' breaker bar to loosen that dam thing.

See variable 2 with 2 post inputs about a loose nut?

Carrier is busted, same as I've seen on other posts.

The spring cleaning deal is not input to the problem. One would think cleaning and asking what moves, what floats?

So there was more to the question, right? You were in there for some reason? We on this end have no clue what you hear, why you were in there for and all that guessing in hubbishrubbishit is just me guessing the game like the other two 'nut' posts inputs you struggling to break loose.

Also, I think I saw a post about pressing out your own inner hub then heating the carrier and freezing the hub to reassemble. For the life of me I can't find that post though. Must be searching the wrong terms.

A vender should be here shortly. You know that computer spray that gets cold holding the can? Ventilation in odor, you want the garage door open so you propane the bearing, 'dust off' the shaft with the freeze spray kind of pick a part with interference fits. Vice verse the odor you figuring out assembly or disassembly with propane/dust off kind of shade tree my part on the bbq grill or in the freezer is that loophole shit I need to sleep with the peas overnight?

 

[Sven]

But, if it was the carrier, it would probably be making some god awful noise.

See, no 'god awful noise' is on the spring cleanupost. The nut didn't fly loose and I was just skeptical was all learning dis product or the chinesheithat is in these boxes no matter what USA spec says is quality control is out the door you sub the shit out to these clowns.

 

[Thors]

Sven, I ask direct questions in general so there was no need to elaborate on symptoms. Should the ring gear move was the question, the answer was "Noooo" You want to know the symptoms? Clutch cable snapped (6k miles) and the primary fluid needed changing. Figured I'd open it up because I like to disassemble things and see what makes them tick. In hind sight, the clutch had gotten a bit grabby but no noises.

And thanks for the "Dust Off" idea, play with it to freeze shit all the time but wouldn't have thought of it for this.

 

[bigdogtech01]

Just a word of advice...DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING SVEN SAYS!!!! He will admit he knows nothing about these bikes and has never worked on one...in fact, only knows how to work on a Vespa.

 

[Thors]

I think it must have been recent as there was minimal fragments and it doesn't look like it's been knocking around for long.

 

[BigDogBro1]

Nice that you caught it early. Paying attention to what your bike is telling you pays off once again.

Most Bigdog clutch and clutch cable related problems are normally followed by the clutch lever getting slack in it...

 

[jimizee028]

Here is the link....if you have any questions John has no problems answering them,I just recently installed it in my bike,and for the first time my bike grabs.....

Bandit Machine Works: Clutches and Belt Drives and Related Parts, Tools, and Accessories for Harley Davidson Motorcycles

 

[Sven]

Ah, I now see the design flaw. Way too much force from friction to steel is wrinkle way too much wave. That's the belt whipping that crack in the windows. Trying to keep the bike lightweight at the clutch housing. But way too much torque and those windows are not what I'd call adding the tears to that backing plate, meaning, right at those holes at the end of the tears = Too shallow.

It needed beefing is more like the upgrade Jim mentions is zero window design but all meat.

 

[Thors]

Thanks Jimi - I ordered it this morning and John was very helpful. Didn't try to push the whole clutch on me, just the carrier. He waiting till I said I want the whole thing before saying "you'll love it". A subtlety I appreciated. Overnighted to work - way have to go home sick tomorrow...

 

[Sven]

Anyone that still has a Thors housing, I'd call Jim but quick! One, the backing plate is a constant and I'll guess this is the same failed housing that usually goes if not a broken shaft and that part numberunner upper knowsomething about besides someonelse changing his diaper every few posts or so.

 

[bigdogtech01]

All I got out of that was something about you, and anal sex, and a donkey

 

[jimizee028]

Seriously does Sven know an ounce of english?????? Is he writing on this forum through some homemade translating tapatalk device??? Does he really think we all understand this????? Sometimes its funny,sometimes just downright strange!!!!!!:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Thors]

Lol...he's an odd one alright. If you're bored read a few of his posts. Unless it really is multiple people posting on one account he has a good working understanding of English and even has some decent grammar skills. That would mean the gibberish posts are intentional. It would take me a lot of effort to write in that "style" as opposed to my regular ramblings. Trying to be funny? Attention whore? Who the hell knows or cares - I have a new clutch carrier coming "before 10:30am" according to UPS!! They were out of clutch packs so I'm gonna get it all together and just pop the primary cover and install the new pack when it comes in.