PDM Kit

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Raywood

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I was surprised by a delivery a couple days ago from UPS. I received the new PDM kit from BDPP and all I can say is it is very nice. Well built and heavy duty. Will be a breeze to change it out, will have it done Friday.
My buddy Fibersnake did a How To on this simple install and you can view it here: http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/how/30621-2005-pdm-install.html

My 05 Chopper requires the new battery box unlike those of you that have the 300mm tires. The new box is heavy but will be simple to replace. No cutting wires, just unplug the old unit and install the new unit. Can't wait to get it installed.
I also have had the Thunderheart adjustable ignition that I got from Carlos a few years ago (thanks Carlos) and will be installing this at the same time. Looks like a great and easy system to install. More to follow.









Very nice unit and looks easy to install without cutting any wires or other fabrications.

:cheers::2thumbs::cheers:
 

DRBarnhart

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You're going to have to go some to beat Fibersnake's blow by blow description of the install!!! :lol:

Dennis

PS I'm wondering if I should order one now just in case BDPP goes belly up? :(
 

Raywood

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You're going to have to go some to beat Fibersnake's blow by blow description of the install!!! :lol:

Dennis

PS I'm wondering if I should order one now just in case BDPP goes belly up? :(
Ah, Dennis with your know how you will never have any issues with your bike!!!! :)

Fibersnakes How To makes it pretty simple though. Good for the rest of us. :D
 

DRBarnhart

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Ah, Dennis with your know how you will never have any issues with your bike!!!! :)
What I know about Big Dogs I got from this forum! :cheers:
Fibersnakes How To makes it pretty simple though. Good for the rest of us. :D
Don't kid yourself, I've already read it over a couple of times! :up:

Dennis

PS Maybe you could talk Biker Babe into doing a Vanna White pointing to the stuff you're doing during the install? :2thumbs: :lol:
 
I bought one also. I ordered it through Rodneys in Little Rock AR. I haven't seen it yet, its still in Little Rock. I told them to hold on to it until I come and get it. So I have no idea whats in it.
 

05 old dog

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just talked to bdm in wichita...they say they are working on one for me right now that will have the micro switch for the air ride...we'll see...
 

Five Five

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Kool Ray:up: So I got to ask what was your rationale in choosing the "PDM" over the "WP" system ?

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"Five"
 

PurpleDog

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just talked to bdm in wichita...they say they are working on one for me right now that will have the micro switch for the air ride...we'll see...
Hey now; where's my micro-switch...:bang:

I don't suppose they mentioned that their hand control interface module is designed to be mounted smack dab where your Air Compressor is mounted?

:bang::bang:
 

Raywood

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Hey now; where's my micro-switch...:bang:

I don't suppose they mentioned that their hand control interface module is designed to be mounted smack dab where your Air Compressor is mounted?

:bang::bang:
Good thing about the kit is you can mount the HCI in front of the battery box if you need to.'
 
R

Ridgeback Boy

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Sounds like another option I will be looking at.

Ray, from a shop labor stand point, more or less labor versus WP?
 
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Ridgeback Boy

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Nevermind, just saw Fibersnakes write up.

Really not sure what to do, have a real bad back fire and miss, shop says it is coming from the EHC connection but I have no other issues, not dieing, all lights and horn work and starts right up.

They think they can just set up a stand alone ignition bypassing the EHC.

Any thoughts or comments, I could use them?
 

TCALZ06

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Nevermind, just saw Fibersnakes write up.

Really not sure what to do, have a real bad back fire and miss, shop says it is coming from the EHC connection but I have no other issues, not dieing, all lights and horn work and starts right up.

They think they can just set up a stand alone ignition bypassing the EHC.

Any thoughts or comments, I could use them?
I would do the PDM. Those guys(ramjet) are decent but I don't know that is possible without doing a complete rewire. Moespeeds is the one to ask but maybe he will see this thread
 

Fibersnake

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I will throw my input on why I went with the PDM verse WP. First is that since BD first mentioned that they were going to have retrofit, I have been saying that I would give it a try. When they came out with one, I decided to follow up on doing so.

I thought long and hard between it and the WP and since I was still running with a EHC, decided to give the PDM a try. Main reason was that it came from BDPP and was their designed. It allows one to basically disconnect the JST from the old, remove the harness/s and EHC without cutting them all up, and then install a complete new wire harness hooking up to the original JST connectors, as well as a PDM module that seem to be pretty well built.

The PDM module has simple relays and fuses in the box that will help protect circuits (or at least I hope so).

In addition it came from BD and even though I do most of my work myself, it is nice that there is some commonality to the kits that should allow for easier troubleshooting and trace of circuits.

Also, since I took my time and took out the old without cutting anything up, worse case I can reinstall if needed until a better fix comes up (barring that the PDM does not hold up).

The WP appears to be a good kit and WP in general has a very good reputation. I know some of the tech at my dealer have installed a few and seem to be happy with it.

Other than wanting to give BD a try and see if they nailed it with their PDM (I think they did but time will tell), the main thing keeping me shy of the WP was that it was not direct fit.

WP required the harness connection to be cut off and the wiring to install into the WP DIN connector with some minor changes in the routing. Nothing wrong with that, but since ones does cut off the harness, all those wires (and there is many) have to have ends crimped (may also consider soldering) to each wire, properly landed which can lead to more concerns of bad pin connectors (dry sockets if soldering), tight connections due to the original wire is shorter leaving less room to work with and various other concerns that can arise on anything involving electrical circuits.

Last but not least, the PDM comes with a wiring harness and assuming that one does not F up that harness and it was good to begin with, less chance of a short or grounded wire. With the WP, even after one does a proper install, there is still a chance that whatever caused the problem in the first place could be in the wiring harness and one may have spent a good amount of time to only find out the problem that caused the EHC to fail or acted up was actually in the wiring harness which may still be there with the WP.

The WP as I said seems to be a very good product and the company does have a good reputation. It just involved more install efforts on the installer part and this increases the chance for additional headaches if the connectors come loose, crossed wiring, bad solder, etc. No doubt that this can occur on any electrical circuit and in fact even on my PDM that I got, the fabricator did land three of the wires in the wrong location (easy fix, little time to find), still I see this has more likely occurring with a WP than PDM

Now the PDM you do lose some items and to the best of my knowledge one only looses the self cancel feature of the turn signals and the emergency flasher feature. It is somewhat frustrating that BDPP did not include those in the PDM, but I will assume that there was a reason. Not a big deal to me, for with the exception of the BD, none of my other MC had these feature to begin with and that includes my 2009 Buell.

The WP you keep these.

The PDM (at least for the ones that have to have the battery tray replaced) are more expensive than the WP, but I think they are pretty close by the time you throw in all the aspects of the WP such as the new ignition switch. The PDM for the 300 tires goes for about $621 verse $520 for the WP kit. The PDM for the 250 kit that need a battery tray go for $703. The WP is still $520. On the WP the $520 is just of the WP and does not have a new wiring harness and if going with recommendation there is another $60 to add on if you go with the recommended High Voltage switch ($40 roundup) plus Duetch (sp) 3 pin connector at $20. So if going with the recommendation of WP, it will run you around $580 (not including any Group buys that my pop up from time to time or the tools that may need to be purchased like good crimpers).

PDM from my experience is about 4 hours install (may be more or less depending on how you land wires and how much issues you have getting backbone harness installed). I cannot say for the WP, but from information I have read of those that have installed a few as well as talking to my dealer which has done well over 20 now, average time with knowledge is 6-7 hours, newbees can be quite a bit more.

It is each and everyone own call. The PDM appears to be well made, has numerous fuses for the circuits as well as relays, comes with a complete backbone and lower harness, fairly easy to install and you can save the original if you need to go back. Still to be proven for time and stress.

WP has been used by many and many good reports, may take more time, requires extensive connecting from WP to original wiring harness, does not replace the backbone or power harness, has longer real life testing out there and for most seem to be good. The module itself is well protected and solid construction, but does not have fuse/s and relays to help isolate a problem with a possible simple fix of change a fuse or relay like the PDM does. It is lower cost in general but maybe higher in labor (depending on who does it).

Big Dog Performance Parts is the source for the PDM (or your local BD dealer working with BDPP) and it appears that they make the different ones in small batches so availability may take some time. WP may be easier to get depending on the model needed but also may be out of stock waiting for new batches.

Both are options to any EHC problems and allows for support down the road to keep us all up and running.

Last, my EHC was still good and I still have it in case the PDM does not hold up and have to back-load. I only changed it out to give me a little better feeling and want to feel better for whenever I get some time to real ride and put some much needed miles on the Mastiff. Suggest that no matter which route one choose, that you do so knowing the pros-cons for both and if you are now having any issues with your electrical, and not ready to make a swap unless absolutely needed, that you read the many good threads and post on here, maybe hook up with some of your fellow members that have wrenched themselves, and do proper troubleshooting and make sure it is the EHC, There has been many many EHC that were replaced that I am sure were not the root cause, both by members and some stealers.

It always good to have a good multi-meter and if not familiar with electrical circuits, grab a book, a friend that is or both and learn. As Gas man would say, why pay other to F up your bike.

If one is interested in the PDM, you can go on the BDPP web site, if not mistaken, and download the schematic and the installation instruction to give you an idea of what is involved. I would imagine that Wire Plus may also have the same. In addition there is some good thread on here concerning the WP install and tips and a few on the PDM.

Oh MY Disclaimer, I have nothing to do with BDPP, WP or any other companies other than who I work for and my own consulting (which is not MC). I am not a seller, do not sell anything (other consulting for Project and Engineer Management), do not intend to sell anything MC related and pay the same as all the other members on here. I get no special discounts or anything from anyone either. My only interest is the member on this forum that enjoy BD has much as I do and just pass on what I have learned regardless if it is of any use to all, a few or none.

Safe riding to all
 
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kickstart

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I'm just a bit disappointed about not having the self canceling turn signals so I hope some electrical expert can explain why. They (wp and the BDPP) look like good units but would be nice to maintain air ride control and the SC turn signals.

BTW, Nice write up Fiber. :up:
 

Moespeeds

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You can very easily bypass the EHC to power up the ignition. I literally did this in the center breakdown lane in traffic a few years ago when the EHC died on my chopper. Look at a wiring harness, identify the power wire going to the ignition, cut it and re-route it through a switch and fuse to the battery. Switch on to start the bike, key or no key. The downside is someone could push start your bike if they knew where the switch was. If you wanna get fancy get a HD style key switch and run the power wire through there.

Nevermind, just saw Fibersnakes write up.

Really not sure what to do, have a real bad back fire and miss, shop says it is coming from the EHC connection but I have no other issues, not dieing, all lights and horn work and starts right up.

They think they can just set up a stand alone ignition bypassing the EHC.

Any thoughts or comments, I could use them?
 
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