no power to starter

Joe,
The PCB switches in your hand controls are all momentary switches. You can check them with an ohm meter for continuity.
 

Gas Man

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Do as Marv says and check the board buttons for continuity.

But you are telling me that you get none of these lights on?
From this thread http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/how/3717-read-your-ehc-fault-lights.html



Looks like it should show yellow main power (why key is on), and red for the ignition power(when you hit run), and green starter lights (when you push start). If not then its probably the pcb board or the ehc itself.

Does yours have the starter box on top of the battery?
 

crazyjoe

Member
Ok guys, I am back from the beach. I don't have any lights working on the ehc and the hand control wires all have power to them. There was also a relay behind ehc with a wire coming from the battery. It had 12.91v going in and coming out. All lights, horn, and signals still work. Still can't get any lights on ehc or thunderheart ignition box to come on. (I don't know what a starter box is Gasman but I don't think I have that)
 
Hand Controls have "power" on them?

The outputs from the switches to the inputs of the EHC, should be "Low Voltage Grounds" when the switch buttons are pushed. One wire should be a constant "Low Voltage Ground" and the corresponding wire should change to a "Low Voltage Ground" when a button is pushed.
You'll need to look for that to determine if the hand control PCB is good or bad!
 

crazyjoe

Member
I am not very good with this multimeter so I will try to get some help. Shouldnt some ehc lights come on with the turn of the key?
 

crazyjoe

Member
I just ordered new pcb board switches for $34 dollars. That's the easiest way for me to know if its the switch or not. Be patient with me guys I would rather learn than take to dealer.
 

mobsta

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hey joe i dont like doing the electronic part these machines but i do what i can.the ehc that you have sounds like the old style.i really dont know if that is your problem but i can tell you that when mine went to rest in peace i had no starter and no high beam.all others worked.none of the ehc lights were lit up.i now have the what i was told the 05 version .seems to be working ok.hope you get to the bottom of it.good luck
 

Drewv1

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I wouldn't put the blame on your EHC yet either as it seems most of them go out gradually and you would have the problem a few times before it completely quit on you.
To answer your question on the EHC lights, none should stay on after turning the key. The second light will do a quick yellow flicker and then turn off. When you hit run, the third light should light up red. When you hit start, the ign mod and second light on EHC will light up.

Hope that help you out.
 

crazyjoe

Member
Thanks for the post drew but i have no ehc lights at anytime. Its sounding more like the mobsta's. Do they even have a replacement ehc for the 04?
 

mobsta

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they have a replacement.mine has the replacement.i was told its what they put on the 05.it is yellow in color with a pig tail.i got a year ago and so far so good.i had no high beam for short time and than no start off and on for about a week than rest in peace ehc.but check everthing first as i am no electrical tech.i hate that part of it.thats just what happened to my 04 mastiff.again hope you get it rollin
 

Gas Man

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What throws me off the bad EHC trail is that the horn and lights work.

That being said... you need to test the PCB control board. Pull the gas tank and test the connection for resistance
 

avdhunter

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Crazy: When my first EHC went out.... everything was fine... turned the bike off. Came back the next day and ..... NO START!!! Horn worked and lights worked but no start ..... not even a click and it was the EHC had went bad. Hope this helps!
 
Joe,
Like many have commented here, there are things throwing them of here. Not to blame anyone, but it could be your description of what's happening, or others experiences of previous failures by comparison. THE EHC is very tricky to diagnose for the average person that is not educated or trained in the field or micro processor based control systems. The EHC's is a micro-processor based input/output controller unit with the added capability of some monitoring (instantaneous LED "fault" indicators) and the saving of "some" of the previous faults into memory. Some of the EHC circuits are nothing more than "pass through" circuits to enable the physical circuit to get into the wiring harnesses or achieve a power source from.
By the term "Pass Through", I mean that the EHC really doesn't provide any form of control to that circuit other than the means of a "path way" for power supplying or actual circuit continuity. The running lights, marker lights, license plate light, oil pressure switch, neutral switch, tach. signal, speedo sensor, and there may be a few others, that I can't remember without looking it up, just achieve a power supply or source from the EHC. "When the Key is turned on to provide power to the EHC, then the EHC power pathways are energised simotaniously to provide power "only" to other components that are not in controlled by the EHC".
The handlebar control buttons functions "Do" control operations through the EHC; Front Brake, Right & Left Turn signals, Run & Off switch and the Start switch.
The EHC LED lights should illuminate (light up) as follows:
Key "ON" and "Run" depressed: should illuminate one LED on the EHC & one on the Ignition module.
If this is not the case, first you should be looking for:
1) open circuit (check "ALL" connectors between the EHC and the hand controls for proper connection & continuity through the connectors.
2) check to see if the hand control PCBs are providing the proper response output "Low Voltage Ground" when a button or switch is depressed.
or
If no power is being used to test, check for proper "continuity" when a button or switch is depressed.
The "low Voltage Ground" or "continuity" will only be present "ONLY" during the time that the button or switch is physically depressed!
Once the proper response ("Low Voltage Ground" or "Continuity") is achieved at the hand signals. Then trace the same wires to the EHC to verify the the same proper response is being received at the EHC inputs.
If the proper responses "ARE" being received at the EHC, and the is "NO" output response when the "RUN" button or switch is depressed, it's very likely that the EHC has failed, "IF ALL OTHER BATTERY CONNECTIONS ARE GOOD TO THE EHC & BATTERY IS VOLTAGE IS CORRECT"!

Hope this helps. :cheers:

Just my thoughts here.
 
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So you turn the key on the bike, press run and you see no lights on the EHC at all? The light on the ignition module may not always come on even if it has power to the ignition module, it all depends on the position of the cam sensor plate. Does the light come on now that you have cranked it with a jumper? Check your hand control switch to make sure it is giving a signal to the EHC. If the EHC does not see that you are pressing run than it will not react. Does you right turn signal come on when you press the right turn button? If it does you have a good ground to the switch, if not you may have a bad ground to the switch. You can pull the right hand control apart to inspect the PC board, wires and contacts. You could also pull the EHC connector off (disconnect batt first) and do a continuity check between pins 39 and 6. You should have continuity (~zero ohms) when pressing the run button.

Look into all this and get back to me if you find or do not find the problem.

Good Luck.
 

Buildem

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Your battery took a dump..Everything will still work but it doesnt have enough charge to start it...That battery is gone...But it is a good sign that your EHC is coming next..Sorry...But at least you can get out for bout 100 bucks today...
 

crazyjoe

Member
No the battery is fine I can turn the motor with a jumper wire but it wont fire. I am waiting for a new pcb board for hand controls. If that doesn't work I may try to bypass the ehc for the start/run functions. Any thoughts?
 

crazyjoe

Member
New pcb off/run switch and I'm running hard again. Thanks for all the support. I was ready to write the ehc off at first. The best advice I've seen here is start with the small things and work your way in. I also put dielectric grease on ehc connection and lubed cables while I was at it. Still have bugs in teeth from riding with a big smile all day!!!
 
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