Night Trains Tip of the Week #6

I think I am on #6, if not let's just pretend I am.

This weeks installment are things that make you go Hmmm?

1. What is the deal with that coil of wire on the ground in the headlight bucket? This coil was there when I started with the company and I questioned it for some time. The only history I could get was that BDM had a problem at one time with headlights popping very prematurely, kinda like Ohmster did in high school. Anyway I was told it was to create an inductor that helped slow down the inrush current (see definition below) and protect the bulb. The problem with this explanation is that the number of coils and the insulation on the wire does not make much of an inductor, at least not enough, if anything it just raises the resistance of the wire my a minuscule amount, maybe helps sych some heat. I and my trusty side kick Ohmster the Great performed some detailed testing and showed no reduction in inrush current with or with out a coil of wire. For the newer bikes the coil has been or is slowly transitioned off the bike. I left the coil on for a while and recommend you do the same because there is always that hint of the unknown and the coil really doesn't hurt anything so why temp fate...remember, if it is not broke don't fix it.

2. Will the new hand control PC boards fit on my 2004 motorcycle? Yes and in fact I highly recommend the swap at the first suggestion of a problem. The newer PC boards offer some feedback to let you know you actually pushed the button and they are better protected from moisture. If you order new PC boards for a 2004 model you will also need new rubber to go with it as they are not compatible. If you have a 2005 or 2006 that you want to upgrade you do not need the rubber. I would order the new mounting screws though (this goes for 2004 as well). I increased the shoulder on the mounting screws and it helps provide better feedback when pushing the button. There are 4 screws per side, use blue loctite when installing. The other advantage of the new PC boards is the brake switch sensor is encapsulated in aluminum instead of rubber and is not as delicate when tightening the set screw.

3. Can I install 2005-later LED turn signal boards on my older model? Yes you can. They are wired the same and will not affect your electrical system. If you have LED boards with a three pin connector on there now all the LED boards are interchangeable. In bikes that only have two wires running to the front it is not an issue to only use the two wires. If you are careful on how you wire them in you can run power from your speedometer, rear running lights or tach to the front and you will have parking lights on the front.

Let me know what else has you going Hmmm? and I'll answer to the best of my ability. Just don't ask me why I am so mean to Ohmster, if I didn't pick on him from time to time he would think I didn't like him anymore :argue:

Definition:
Inrush Current: Basically when a incandescent type light is first switched on the resistance is essentially zero which causes a large current (the inrush current) across the circuit (remember Ohms law: Voltage/Resistance=Current). In a matter of microseconds the light has a resistance and the current will settle down to what ever the rating is on the bulb. So large spike, then common steady state current (about 5amps on the big dog high beam).
 

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POIDOG
3. In bikes that only have two wires running to the front it is not an issue to only use the two wires. If you are careful on how you wire them in you can run power from your speedometer, rear running lights or tach to the front and you will have parking lights on the front.
So you run a hot wire (when key is on/run) to the positive of the front turn signal to get running lights? will that pull extra power during start-up, I know the headlights cut-off during start-up, or is that not going to make a difference with leds...
 
Running power to the front LED for parking light function will only draw about 80mA (0.080Amps). This will not affect the starting at all, if it does you have worse problems.
 

firedog

Bryan
Night Train: I'm currently doing the LED change-over on my 00 Bulldog. One thing I have experienced with my dog is: On the rear (older dogs) you still have to have a center light for brake lights. (EHC ASM4250C) Example of what I mean:

If brakes are applied the turns will flash 4 times and stay lit, but once a turn signal is applied the brake feature quits unlike the newer dogs (EHC ASM4250D.) I like the front running lights idea. I'm going to try it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I experienced. **disclaimer** I'm no mechanic or electrical guy.

Thanks Night train, and all the contributors, for all the great info. I am one of those that take more from here than contribute, but will give the little I can. This is the best place!!!!!!!!
 
Hey Firedog, looks like you are in my neck up the woods. If you run into any problems with the LED conversion let me know, you can ride down and we can take a look at it. If nothing else always looking for new people to add to the riding group.


Night Train: I'm currently doing the LED change-over on my 00 Bulldog. One thing I have experienced with my dog is: On the rear (older dogs) you still have to have a center light for brake lights. (EHC ASM4250C) Example of what I mean:

If brakes are applied the turns will flash 4 times and stay lit, but once a turn signal is applied the brake feature quits unlike the newer dogs (EHC ASM4250D.) I like the front running lights idea. I'm going to try it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I experienced. **disclaimer** I'm no mechanic or electrical guy.

Thanks Night train, and all the contributors, for all the great info. I am one of those that take more from here than contribute, but will give the little I can. This is the best place!!!!!!!!
 

firedog

Bryan
Thanks Night Train! Will do, I'm actually in Derby. Been thinking about trying to get all the locals, on this forum, out for a beer.
 

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The Cleaner
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Night Train: I'm currently doing the LED change-over on my 00 Bulldog. One thing I have experienced with my dog is: On the rear (older dogs) you still have to have a center light for brake lights. (EHC ASM4250C) Example of what I mean:

If brakes are applied the turns will flash 4 times and stay lit, but once a turn signal is applied the brake feature quits unlike the newer dogs (EHC ASM4250D.) I like the front running lights idea. I'm going to try it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I experienced. **disclaimer** I'm no mechanic or electrical guy.

Thanks Night train, and all the contributors, for all the great info. I am one of those that take more from here than contribute, but will give the little I can. This is the best place!!!!!!!!

Firedog, just went out to my garage and checked my 03 Mastiff. You are correct. If you have your turn signal flashing, then there is no flash feature when the brakes are applied....unless my bike is broke too!:angry: :lol:
 

firedog

Bryan
Nope, not broke! That's they way they work....I'm going to put a strip of LED's around the very rear of my fender. I'll use them for brake lights... I saw that last year at Fayetteville (BB&B). It looked good!
 

firedog

Bryan
Night Train....Got a question???

Rear LED's...Three wire turns. I hooked them up as running and turn. They do flash for brakes as mentioned above. I placed an LED strip on the back fender and wired it as brake only.

Now! On my instrument panel, both the turn indicators are glowing constantly and blinking during turn signal operation. Whats the deal?


Thanks in advance for your help,

Bryan
 

firedog

Bryan
Hold on tight, I’m not an electrical guy.
The first thing I did was test the turns to see which was dim and which was bright.
Next, I consulted the Thunder heart (EHC) wiring diagram.
3- Wires from turn signals
1 To Ground
1 To Running light (Dim)
1 To Turn light (bright, operates as signal and brake flashes while braking, unless the turn signal is activated)
I did this on both sides as directed from the Thunderheart wiring diagram.
This left me with a brake light wire from the EHC….I wired it to the LED strip on the rear fender.
Everything is working as planned; I just have the turn indicators on the instrument panel lit up constantly…The do flash when I use the indicators.
 
When you say they flash when I use the indicators, I assume this means when you activate a turn signal you indicator in the dash will flash. Does it go out and back on or just dim and brighter?

It look like all the wires from the rear should go to EHC connector J5, can you tell me what pins of J5 is hooked to each light?

Worse comes to worse you can build an ark and float down to Mulvane sometime and I can take a look at it.

Everything is working as planned; I just have the turn indicators on the instrument panel lit up constantly…The do flash when I use the indicators.
 
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