My "Yellow Bitch".... is a Bitch!!! Electrics!!!

[francoblay1]

Keep working on it Franco. You will figure it out. Don't butcher the wiring up like some suggest and for gods sake don't take it to the Harley shop! Your bike is too nice to FUBAR it up. Good luck.

Don´t worry Frank... my Yellow-Bitch will be on the road soon (or to the Range as a target!!!) lol.

Here is my new idea.... I got hold of an OLD mechanic which once I was an apprentice working for him.... he was awesome... anyways, to the Point! I think that, IF, I can convince him to work on my bike.... With me being present and with the Manuals and following my instructions I might go two steps ahead.... he´s got the Tools!

Well... I will keep this thread open till the saga is over

 

[BWG56]

That sounds like a plan, should only take a day or 2, if you take it out to the range, you will miss her:choppersmiley:You'll be back on the road in no time.

 

[francoblay1]

This is completely false. The charging system is separate from the EHC. The EHC has nothing to do with keeping battery charged.
Franco's problem is possibly with the Stator shorting to ground. I discovered the problem while over there but we did not have the parts nor the time to replace it. So we had both agreed to band-aid it till I could send you replacement parts. It seemed to hold off till now. I would not replace just the regulator. With that Stator possibly shorting to ground, You risk burning up the new VR.
I know it's a lot of work to replace all 3, but you can get it done in a days time. The 1 5/16" socket is in with the 3 parts. Borrow your buddies torch and heat that front sprocket nut up like we did before. You should have no problem. And I'm just a phone call or email away
The other option would be for me to just come back over there and show you how its done

I will take this option you left without properly sight-seeing my Homeland...

Yup, I know I could do it.... but, I have no time right now... we are moving places... BTW you will love that Rural Castle we just got hold of :up:

One more thing (two to be exact!):

1. you need Skype (or similar) instant Messenger.
2. You need a proper WEBPAGE! you can afford it now

Thanks Andrew. pack your bags... how xmas in Spain sounds? bring your girls!

 

[bigdogtech01]

I also need to add...
Once again, too much blame is being put onto the original EHC's. I work on big dogs every single day (not just once or twice a year like most here) 99.9% of them having electrical problems are not EHC's. This forum pounds it into members brains that the EHC's are shit, so people then assume that any little problem they are having is due to the EHC, and then spend $700 on a new controller, to fix what was really just a blow headlight bulb. Or a broken wire under the fuel tank. Or a bad PCB board in the hand controls. Or a bad ignition key switch. Or a bad ignition itself....the list goes on. Always start at your battery (a known good one) and work back from there.
See ya!

 

[francoblay1]

That sounds like a plan, should only take a day or 2, if you take it out to the range, you will miss her:choppersmiley:You'll be back on the road in no time.

You are invited too Ker!!!

:2thumbs:

 

[BWG56]

:2thumbs:

 

[H-fred biker]

I also need to add...
Once again, too much blame is being put onto the original EHC's. I work on big dogs every single day (not just once or twice a year like most here) 99.9% of them having electrical problems are not EHC's. This forum pounds it into members brains that the EHC's are shit, so people then assume that any little problem they are having is due to the EHC, and then spend $700 on a new controller, to fix what was really just a blow headlight bulb. Or a broken wire under the fuel tank. Or a bad PCB board in the hand controls. Or a bad ignition key switch. Or a bad ignition itself....the list goes on. Always start at your battery (a known good one) and work back from there.
See ya!

Nice to hear Andrew.
I was worried myself before I have ridden my Ridgeback the first time.
All my reading here to make me learn about Big Dog´s semed to be about bad EHC´s
Now, after two years of lovely Big Dog riding and Before that MANY years of motorcycle riding all make sense, Yes check wiring, electrical connections, charging etc. there You have all the problems NOT the EHC.

 

[RottyJohn]

Like Andrew said start at the battery .One step at a time it will work out for you. Electrical problems are a pain but all systems and bikes have problems. Just remember it's not magic. Very best of luck. You will figure this out.
RJ

 

[Nukeranger]

Andrew and Family Vacation Two coming soon!

 

[KnotSo]

I also need to add...
Once again, too much blame is being put onto the original EHC's. I work on big dogs every single day (not just once or twice a year like most here) 99.9% of them having electrical problems are not EHC's. This forum pounds it into members brains that the EHC's are shit, so people then assume that any little problem they are having is due to the EHC, and then spend $700 on a new controller, to fix what was really just a blow headlight bulb. Or a broken wire under the fuel tank. Or a bad PCB board in the hand controls. Or a bad ignition key switch. Or a bad ignition itself....the list goes on. Always start at your battery (a known good one) and work back from there.
See ya!

Good advice.
Couple of years ago our local BDM master tech and all things vtwin master mechanic (Thomas Coleman) said he had never seen a bad ehc, that in every case he found the issues elsewhere, always said to start with the simple stuff.

 

[BWG56]

Hey Franco,
Is it possible to get a tube of 100% silicone and build up or coat the connector to keep it from shorting out, clean the connector good first and give it sometime to dry, not a permanent fix but might get you by for a little.

 

[pknowles]

or electrical insulator tape. It's ready as soon as you wrap it.

 

[francoblay1]

I think this belongs better here....

Time to fix this too!!!!

What's going on with your stator plug Franco?

What's going on with your stator plug Franco?

Its very lose... (the set screw is in there) but its weird.. we think it can be shorting out...

If the regulator plug rattles loose just enough to cause it to ground out it will cause you to have a bad regulator and stator.



from DRBarnhart
http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/ignition-electronics-batteries/51566-stator.html

Testing the Stator.

Let me preface this be saying you need to be extremely careful when performing the AC voltage check. It should not kill you but it is sure to scare the shit out of you of you let the probes touch each other or ground and will probably damage your meter and probes. Perform this test before the beer.

To test the stator start with a resistance test.

1. Remove the VR plug from the stator.

2. Measure the resistance across both pins of the stator plug. The resistance should be 0.5ohms or less, usually it is zero on most meters. Do not forget to subtract the resistance of your meter leads. If it is an open circuit the stator windings are damaged and the stator needs to be replaced.

3. Measure resistance from Pin 1 (either Pin) to ground and then from Pin 2 to ground. It should be an open circuit in both cases. If it is not then that means the windings are shorted to ground and the stator is bad, the plug may be damage or the rotor has interfered with the wires. Remove outer primary and rotor to inspect stator.

4. If stator passes resistance check you can check the output voltage. Again BE CAREFUL!! remove the vR/Stator plug. Start the bike, measure AC voltage across the to stator pins. At idle you will have around 15-20VAC, the voltage will increase as the RPM is increased. The voltage can go up to about 60VAC or more at high RPM. Have a buddy help you run the throttle, keep you eyes on the probes and do not let them touch each other or ground. If you see voltage as indicated below the stator is functioning.

Dennis

Stator plug is cracked/dry rotted. This causing it to be loose and wire exposed to ground.

The stator checks 17 VAC @ idle (1k rpm) and increases with the throttle (more rpm) ... but again... as Andrew said... its fucked... with vibrations it might very well be shorting out!!!

BUT.... why while (It´s not shorting out?) the battery is, yet, not getting any juice? I am thinking VR? Again... WTF do I now!!! :bang:

Don't you have a service manual?

Shit!!!! Never thought of that!!!!! What a Service Manual is??? thanks Curtis!

now.... can we take this subject here where it belongs, please. it will be easier to follow for others with same/similar problems?:

http://www.bigdogbiker.com/forums/ignition-electronics-batteries/65921-my-yellow-bitch-bitch-electrics-2.html

DISCLAIMER:

I have mentioned (at least three times today) I am USELESS with electrics. Sorrrrryyyyyy



BUT.... I WILL LEARN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, Carry on, please. :up:

 

[KaptinAmerika]

Okay no need to get nasty.
You keep saying you think its the VR so test the VR. Its a simple procedure and directions are in the manual.
If the system is shorting, the stator plug in the case is loose but the set screw is tight then the set screw may have been over tightened causing it to penetrate the insulator and short one or both of the connectors. Pull the set screw all the way out and see if you still have the issue.

 

[TapioK]

I also need to add...
Once again, too much blame is being put onto the original EHC's. I work on big dogs every single day (not just once or twice a year like most here) 99.9% of them having electrical problems are not EHC's. This forum pounds it into members brains that the EHC's are shit, so people then assume that any little problem they are having is due to the EHC, and then spend $700 on a new controller, to fix what was really just a blow headlight bulb. Or a broken wire under the fuel tank. Or a bad PCB board in the hand controls. Or a bad ignition key switch. Or a bad ignition itself....the list goes on. Always start at your battery (a known good one) and work back from there.
See ya!

Been thinking the same thing. What are the odds of somebody buying several EHCs just to find them all break down when majority of about 28.000 BD riders have no problems? Cause and Effect…
Yes, I do agree those EHCs can be a bit sensitive to voltage spikes...

 

[BWG56]

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Now, Carry on, please. :up:

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Listen you sumnabitch,:argue: you want help or not:roll::roll:

 

[bigdogtech01]

Hey Franco,
Is it possible to get a tube of 100% silicone and build up or coat the connector to keep it from shorting out, clean the connector good first and give it sometime to dry, not a permanent fix but might get you by for a little.

Already did this back when I was in Spain. It lasted till now. Problem is the clearance between plug and engine case. There is not enough room for any kind of tape and hardly enough room for a film of silicone.
Set screw is not over tightened and the issue here. As you can clearly see in the pictures, the rubber on plug has deteriorated and wire is exposed to possible short. Franco should do an Ohms reading on plug wires to ground. Most likely it has an open short to ground.
The only real fix is to install the new parts I sent over. Done and done.

 

[francoblay1]

Okay no need to get nasty.
You keep saying you think its the VR so test the VR. Its a simple procedure and directions are in the manual.
If the system is shorting, the stator plug in the case is loose but the set screw is tight then the set screw may have been over tightened causing it to penetrate the insulator and short one or bot of the connectors.

Curtis, for some reason this month everybody seems to be very "sensitive" lol. I am not being nasty... just my usual "Spanish Humor", you should know me by now?



BTW... mybe out of order but...

Should I get "sensitive" about this too?:

maybe you can get answers from the "Spaniard" :up:

(Post #4 from HERE )

Tom, I could not help myself, but you started it. PM sent.

 

[francoblay1]

Already did this back when I was in Spain. It lasted till now. Problem is the clearance between plug and engine case. There is not enough room for any kind of tape and hardly enough room for a film of silicone.
Set screw is not over tightened and the issue here. As you can clearly see in the pictures, the rubber on plug has deteriorated and wire is exposed to possible short. Franco should do an Ohms reading on plug wires to ground. Most likely it has an open short to ground.
The only real fix is to install the new parts I sent over. Done and done.

How Xmas in Spain sounds????

 

[francoblay1]

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Now, Carry on, please. :up:

Listen you sumnabitch,:argue: you want help or not:roll::roll:[/QUOTE]