My map is crap-ping out. Watt gives? Basics 101

Sven

Well-Known Member


FI is boring for some. This is more or less limited to a few readers. You may want to turn around and leave is the warning. This is survivors of the head bang. In other words... 'I got nut'inn for ya. Head back to camp.'


Watchow simple the concept is. I am going to make a map.

Lower Right Cube: I am going to run in open loop. I am first stage VOES. I am limited in development. I am slow in my 1's and 0's. I have a shallow trunk space to save data.

Lower Left Cube: I am climbing to a faster clock speed. I still have to travel from one of my same color-time to find-same color; I am at a certain X to Y I follow here.

Upper Left Cube: I am in a 3-Dimentional stage. I am more or less a smoother map. I am in closed loop. I read more samples; I need more bit space; I grow from 32 to 64 bit by bit. The samples will X to Y at a faster speed. Speed says smoother input. See my evolution in speed data. Better things yet to come in that black box. The gov is watching! 1984 is what year is it? Everyearepeatsame year. :hi:

I am about to make map. I have so many ping grids to play with. I am a safety valve grid too. Since this is the abstract to the concept, I am going to use red as (+) and yellow as (-).

Here is where you are locked out making map in a certain way. There are two math boxes on the motherboard. One checks your move, you tumble a block a different way. The other box sends the data to the ECU. The ECU throws it out in limp mode. This is considered a 'method' used as in the generic.

Having those switch boxes checking what program was written by the factory programmers who know all that C/C+/C++ key word keystrokes to make FI function, you are locked out as the plus and minus default your map guessing.

In other words, you change an X and a Y in that upper left 3-D kind of map, you are moving all those internal blocks too you make one move. You hit 'save,' you just might have a lot of plus/minus defaults pinged to counter your move. Too much percentage change, it stumbles all the way thru that cube.

Say if you read a stock map? It would look something like this:

1-0-1-0-1-0-1-1-0-1-0-1.

If you changed a grid or a selection of a large drag and save that section of grids, it would look something like this all up and down the rpm range:

1-0-+-1-+-0---1-+-0---1

That is more a cry for a map on line. Someone does not recognize they broke out of the programming. That (+/-) is a blow off valve that limped your ass. :roll:

And if you cannot see how simple in concept that is, it walks too well. It speaks volumes of a map grid. It speaks time to millisecond over and thru that mapped cube. It speaks X is the rpm. Y is the throttle opening. Z is the square lined up in a 3-dimentional block of programming.

So, the story goes, you stay out of the red/yellow, you can richen it up (yellow-shuts you down), whereas red (richens your lean move).

_________________________________________________________

IAP ~ This is basic FI timing. The intake air pull is that throttle cable yank.
Crank P ~ This too is basic FI timing. ECU needs to know crank position.
TPS ~ This is all you need for basic FI timing. Where the cable rests?

Call this the injector duty cycle. Like an elevator, that air suck is going to X some Y is my understanding. The 3 fundamentals above are considered in some abstracts, 'Ultimate FI.' Using the same abstract, various sensors are your, 'Compensator' sensors.

We dunt need know stink'inn compensators! :job: :roll: Those are for "Linears." Data is watt I call the Joe-A's. You more or less are the Joe Average with the VOES plugged in.

However, the Catch22 in all this, is it limps you once you pull the IAP off. It eliminates a compensator map, or the only sensor on the bike i.e.; VOES. So, obviously, it runs in linear[on] or runs in limp mapping [off].

That twitch of the limp is that faster ignition curve, remember. The linear curve is missing, meaning. The ride or throttle apply is more abrupt. Robust. Twitchy. Snappy. In traffic, wear Depends. I pee fur Poise. :roll:

_______________________________________________________

Programming a map these days will take a lot of R&D. Every pipe is more or less a snowflake. They may say, 'use this map with this pipe' and you come back [all crying on the net] with your slightly different setup/parts changing going on.

Come on... Stand on the carpet. Who needed a different map? :lol:

If you do not have your AFR in order, you are probably smelling odor. And there is your rich stumble and all that guess work someone else did. Now you are stick with it. :rolleyes:
 

Nukeranger

Nukeranger
I think what Sven is saying is that he is building a map (out of cubes) for the bike he is building!:loony: If the map looks anything like the above cubes, I can't wait to see his bike.:roll::roll::roll:
 

Brew

Troop Supporter
I see rubiks cubes. So, what state are you attempting to mapping out of them... :D
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
Manifesto of craziness...
Crazy in love with FI you mean?

"Man, he's fasthough = Manifestoe Jam

It is a tuning tool for me to understand FI. I know a few Boeing engineers. They twisted my brain when I ask a few questions about electricity, a computer, and rocket fuel.

If you believe the one guy, he says electricity walks down a wire. It has to hit one molecule after the other. To me, that says, 'time.' That is my X. My Y is _______ Fill in the blank.

So, if I know I cannot touch the yellow or red, I can run up my injection volume, I tumble or choose a different color. If I know one color is richer than another color, I enter that rich set at the X and Y interject. Gotta make it look simple.

That says, I can sneak in some NASCAR pit, set something [I can't reveal], cheat that tune... None are the wiser. That says, this is so universal, I can sneak this under the AMA, the FIM kind of GP racing, superbike racing kind of cheat and meet the Man He Fastoe!

Yeah, but he's HA cheating and wezzzzza too blind toe sea at the tech inspection. :roll:

She here, fellas..."You ain't cheat'inn, you ain't win'inn!" << Old NASCAR pro from the 1950's coined that. Not me. Dishere is cheat'inn 101 :D
 

TapioK

Well-Known Member
I actually understood the idea of rubies cubes here. Though I don't know what the hell I do with this new info.
Don't have EFI, don't want to have EFI and coudn't do a fix or map it anyway.
I feel my brain filling with the information I never need. Have to get a bigger helmet.
But Sven, must say I like your style! Even when, with my limited english, it's sometimes (read always) a pleasant challenge to figure out what a hell you are saying...
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
I actually understood the idea of rubies cubes here. Though I don't know what the hell I do with this new info.
Yeah, I know, but it is more theory than anything. It is how you are locked out of the fuel injection system. It is a tricky animal. Lots of backups/fail-safes/limp modes > All mean the same.

Don't have EFI, don't want to have EFI and coudn't do a fix or map it anyway.
Well, for your information, that little bit is going to fit like this. The old lady takes the car in, the service writer is going to relate to her what is wrong. You hear that rubbishubbish, you think, what is guy saying my computer car is doing? It will click somehow. Your car is all about the computer bike heading your way.

I drive my old lady up the wall with FI. She gets a CEL (check engine light), hears it's an 02 sensor and the guy has to come clean. She understands watt it does. School the service writer is what you need this for. Or, in your wallet they go.

I feel my brain filling with the information I never need.
That warning banner was up before I started. Door swings both ways. :roll:


But Sven, must say I like your style! Even when, with my limited english, it's sometimes (read always) a pleasant challenge to figure out what a hell you are saying...
Stick with it. I'm not finished. And thanks for the props.

If the concept makes sense, then, are not the basics sort of easy? You are collecting concepts. I write the abstract. It has to fit or it does not work >>> It is that simple.

You have to understand, I do not have access to delphi, seimens, martin/marry his ugly daughter if I could get my foot in the door of that software/hardware station in the factory. I am walking the ECU from the outside.

I am knocking on the black box, but can't get in. They won't reveal the secrets inside, so I have to somehow, reveresengineer the concepts. If I show you a split screen on an old analog TV, it still says 60 cycles. If I use the cube concept for this fueling mystery, here comes the "alpha signal."

Watch at the 36 second mark and how you see the top injectors shut off, but the others keep the engine running. That is part of the animal. There are low to mid/mid to WOT break-offs.

Low thru Mid = Half the 60 cycles
Mid thru WOT = That spit you do not feel between the next rpm swing.

Man has to follow nature's time span building that animal.

Let me introduce you to 'Alpha Neumeric.'

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ksmike

Active Member
At watt rpm is your map crapping out at? Are you sure that you have fuel in your bike? Maybe the plug electrodes are at the wrong orientation in regards to the combustion chamber? Or maybe the polarity to the plugs is wrong, ie: electrons flowing the wrong way??
 

MARV

Well-Known Member
At watt rpm is your map crapping out at? Are you sure that you have fuel in your bike? Maybe the plug electrodes are at the wrong orientation in regards to the combustion chamber? Or maybe the polarity to the plugs is wrong, ie: electrons flowing the wrong way??

Ahhhh, the bait.

Catch and release.
 

Mad Dog

ValueTeck Enterprises






FI is boring for some. This is more or less limited to a few readers. You may want to turn around and leave is the warning. This is survivors of the head bang. In other words... 'I got nut'inn for ya. Head back to camp.'


Watchow simple the concept is. I am going to make a map.

Lower Right Cube: I am going to run in open loop. I am first stage VOES. I am limited in development. I am slow in my 1's and 0's. I have a shallow trunk space to save data.

Lower Left Cube: I am climbing to a faster clock speed. I still have to travel from one of my same color-time to find-same color; I am at a certain X to Y I follow here.

Upper Left Cube: I am in a 3-Dimentional stage. I am more or less a smoother map. I am in closed loop. I read more samples; I need more bit space; I grow from 32 to 64 bit by bit. The samples will X to Y at a faster speed. Speed says smoother input. See my evolution in speed data. Better things yet to come in that black box. The gov is watching! 1984 is what year is it? Everyearepeatsame year. :hi:

I am about to make map. I have so many ping grids to play with. I am a safety valve grid too. Since this is the abstract to the concept, I am going to use red as (+) and yellow as (-).

Here is where you are locked out making map in a certain way. There are two math boxes on the motherboard. One checks your move, you tumble a block a different way. The other box sends the data to the ECU. The ECU throws it out in limp mode. This is considered a 'method' used as in the generic.

Having those switch boxes checking what program was written by the factory programmers who know all that C/C+/C++ key word keystrokes to make FI function, you are locked out as the plus and minus default your map guessing.

In other words, you change an X and a Y in that upper left 3-D kind of map, you are moving all those internal blocks too you make one move. You hit 'save,' you just might have a lot of plus/minus defaults pinged to counter your move. Too much percentage change, it stumbles all the way thru that cube.

Say if you read a stock map? It would look something like this:

1-0-1-0-1-0-1-1-0-1-0-1.

If you changed a grid or a selection of a large drag and save that section of grids, it would look something like this all up and down the rpm range:

1-0-+-1-+-0---1-+-0---1

That is more a cry for a map on line. Someone does not recognize they broke out of the programming. That (+/-) is a blow off valve that limped your ass. :roll:

And if you cannot see how simple in concept that is, it walks too well. It speaks volumes of a map grid. It speaks time to millisecond over and thru that mapped cube. It speaks X is the rpm. Y is the throttle opening. Z is the square lined up in a 3-dimentional block of programming.

So, the story goes, you stay out of the red/yellow, you can richen it up (yellow-shuts you down), whereas red (richens your lean move).

_________________________________________________________

IAP ~ This is basic FI timing. The intake air pull is that throttle cable yank.
Crank P ~ This too is basic FI timing. ECU needs to know crank position.
TPS ~ This is all you need for basic FI timing. Where the cable rests?

Call this the injector duty cycle. Like an elevator, that air suck is going to X some Y is my understanding. The 3 fundamentals above are considered in some abstracts, 'Ultimate FI.' Using the same abstract, various sensors are your, 'Compensator' sensors.

We dunt need know stink'inn compensators! :job: :roll: Those are for "Linears." Data is watt I call the Joe-A's. You more or less are the Joe Average with the VOES plugged in.

However, the Catch22 in all this, is it limps you once you pull the IAP off. It eliminates a compensator map, or the only sensor on the bike i.e.; VOES. So, obviously, it runs in linear[on] or runs in limp mapping [off].

That twitch of the limp is that faster ignition curve, remember. The linear curve is missing, meaning. The ride or throttle apply is more abrupt. Robust. Twitchy. Snappy. In traffic, wear Depends. I pee fur Poise. :roll:

_______________________________________________________

Programming a map these days will take a lot of R&D. Every pipe is more or less a snowflake. They may say, 'use this map with this pipe' and you come back [all crying on the net] with your slightly different setup/parts changing going on.

Come on... Stand on the carpet. Who needed a different map? :lol:

If you do not have your AFR in order, you are probably smelling odor. And there is your rich stumble and all that guess work someone else did. Now you are stick with it. :rolleyes:
 
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