lights on bigdogs computer

does anyone know what color lights are suppose to flash when you turn the key on. Im getting a blue light flash on and off quickly, and I thought I had a green and yellow before. I took apart to check the teeth to make sure they were clean and put back together now bike wont start. still trying to get this dog running without engine shutting off and tripping the breakers. Now she wont even start.

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Th3InfamousI

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What year bike do you have ?

Search function on this forum should easily pull up some diagrams and troubleshooting help on those LED if it's the stock EHC you have.
 
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Sven

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No, I do not know the LED readouts. Someone here may know. How well charged is the battery? Is that a low battery signal to check voltage?

I'm more curious about that relay heating up. I'm thinking something like: Remove ground battery cable and note sparking/arcing if any> with key off. Tap the ground cable back onto the battery post. With key still off, did you see a tiny orange spark or was it a wide, strong, blue/white spark?
1. For argument sake, say it's with key off, there is no arc present. Beats me guessing the product's setup, but say there is a tiny spark touching the cable to the post. Call it the clock option, the self memory in the black box? Then say with no spark present, no memory saved, no clock memory being saved. No short present.

2. For argument sake, say key on now. Was there a white/blue arc or a tiny orange spark with key on? Was the arc hot enough to melt the lead battery post some? Then, there is your short heating up the breaker. If say the headlight and taillight turn on normally with key on, then there is your hotter spark jump. Take both out of the loop and try again. Same blue/white arc, you haven't found it yet. The short is possibly present with no lights to still cause the arcing.

3. Trans in top gear so it's easier to push, line up crank sensor's rotor so both pins match at the crank sensor. Find N and do not move the pin nipples away from each other. Leave clutch lever alone on a dead engine. Move the bike back and forth to find top gear and N. The free hand off the bar can now be shifted by hand. The plug wires removed, but the rubber caps are just sitting on the plugs so you can hear the spark jump from the cap to the top of the plug. Start to disconnect as much as you can and do not lose 12v to the black box. When you don't see the arc, you found it at the last disconnect you made. So it's key on, meter set to 20v, red probe to key switch... do you have 12v up to the switch going in? Yes? Then it's key on, red probe to the other wires going out from the switch. I'd start there.

4. Other fast checks would be key on, red probe to the coil wires. Is there 12v there? Yes? Then with a flat blade screwdriver, key on, touch both pins at the crank sensor and see if you can hear the arc jump from the steel clip to the plug cap ends. Remember, crank sensor wise, you are the old style points breaker. So if you hold that blade to both pins, you are sending the coil to ground. You have to toggle the pins in other words; as if opening and closing a set of points to see if the crank sensor is bad. So you break away from one pin and then ground that pin again to create a lot of spark to the plugs so as to hear something.
 
No, I do not know the LED readouts. Someone here may know. How well charged is the battery? Is that a low battery signal to check voltage?

I'm more curious about that relay heating up. I'm thinking something like: Remove ground battery cable and note sparking/arcing if any> with key off. Tap the ground cable back onto the battery post. With key still off, did you see a tiny orange spark or was it a wide, strong, blue/white spark?
1. For argument sake, say it's with key off, there is no arc present. Beats me guessing the product's setup, but say there is a tiny spark touching the cable to the post. Call it the clock option, the self memory in the black box? Then say with no spark present, no memory saved, no clock memory being saved. No short present.

2. For argument sake, say key on now. Was there a white/blue arc or a tiny orange spark with key on? Was the arc hot enough to melt the lead battery post some? Then, there is your short heating up the breaker. If say the headlight and taillight turn on normally with key on, then there is your hotter spark jump. Take both out of the loop and try again. Same blue/white arc, you haven't found it yet. The short is possibly present with no lights to still cause the arcing.

3. Trans in top gear so it's easier to push, line up crank sensor's rotor so both pins match at the crank sensor. Find N and do not move the pin nipples away from each other. Leave clutch lever alone on a dead engine. Move the bike back and forth to find top gear and N. The free hand off the bar can now be shifted by hand. The plug wires removed, but the rubber caps are just sitting on the plugs so you can hear the spark jump from the cap to the top of the plug. Start to disconnect as much as you can and do not lose 12v to the black box. When you don't see the arc, you found it at the last disconnect you made. So it's key on, meter set to 20v, red probe to key switch... do you have 12v up to the switch going in? Yes? Then it's key on, red probe to the other wires going out from the switch. I'd start there.

4. Other fast checks would be key on, red probe to the coil wires. Is there 12v there? Yes? Then with a flat blade screwdriver, key on, touch both pins at the crank sensor and see if you can hear the arc jump from the steel clip to the plug cap ends. Remember, crank sensor wise, you are the old style points breaker. So if you hold that blade to both pins, you are sending the coil to ground. You have to toggle the pins in other words; as if opening and closing a set of points to see if the crank sensor is bad. So you break away from one pin and then ground that pin again to create a lot of spark to the plugs so as to hear something.
Numbers 1&2 I can do after that you lose me, but I appreciate all info. Bringing someone over tomorrow that will understand, because I dont see any window or teeth in crank sensor area.

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Sven

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Try this for 3 and 4. This is what I guess is a harley style type cup? It could be a tone wheel with lots of cutouts and a gap between windows. So this may have a cup with just one cutout. Looking at the cutout or window, that cutout has a trailing side and a leading side. You'll know by the crank direction. So it's solid up to that cutout. Just have the leading edge under the core pin of the sensor. A bunch of copper wire is wrapped around that hanging nipple/core/pin. The window breaks the magnetic field and a pulse of current runs up the wire and sparks the plugs.

You want to find N once you position the cup. This way if the plug fires, it doesn't jump in gear. Then you take a flat screwdriver and make/break contact with the pin and cup window. That is how you see if spark is there. The path is:
Crank sensor sends a hall effect or square wave so the black box knows where to set the ignition curve, because it's how fast the input comes on the sweep of the window. The break at the leading edge stops the magnetic field and out goes the spark to the plug.

By doing this, you just eliminated the coil, the sensor, and processor. Who needs an ohm meter.

On a dead engine you move the wheel back and forth to move the gears for shifting. A squid pulls the lever in which does nothing but keep the gear stationary and your going to look more like a squid with the foot too. This way you look the pro withatrick.
 
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