Is an oil cooler necessary ?

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ChrisK1969

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I've noticed that some people who own K9s have the Big Dog oil cooler installed. Is this something that would only benefit the engine in extreme hot conditions say mid 90's and up or would it still benefit your engine when its like 75-80 out. We do on occasion get some hot summer days in NY. This is my first bike with an air cooled engine and was just concerned. Thanks.
 

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ChoppaNoob

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I would also like to add a question to this thread. Do these noticeably lower the temp of the oil reserve. If i put my hand near my seat while ridin, its hot as f*kk. Would it be worth it to install one of these ?
 

Nukeranger

Nukeranger
S&S recommends running the oil temperature between 180 and 250 degrees Fahrenheit. I usually see about 200 degrees. I live in Louisiana with 95 degree weather and above 85% humidity. I recently did a 500 mile run to and back from Austin in 100 degree heat and never saw over 210 degrees oil temperature. The max I saw was 225 degrees while in a parade with less air movement. So, with this info, I am not installing an oil cooler.
 

RRRUFF

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Adding an oil cooler to these bike only gives you two advantages, maybe three. It will lower your oil temp only when the bike is moving (air flow) and it does add a little more oil capacity, that will take longer for the oil to heat up. The third thing depends on the individual, you may or may not like the look. However it can't hurt in the higher temps but also maybe a henderance in the colder climates. Some have made oil cooler covers for the colder weather.
 

K9Anniv

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If it was a neccessary evil,it wouldve been on there from the factory..
:iagree:...if it were that critical to engine life, I'd think the manufacturer would sell their bikes equipped with these from the factory.

I don't know, but in my opinion...it's just one more thing that could go wrong.

I guess if you lived in very hot climate, but then again...it's still "air-cooled", so how much good could it really do? :rolleyes:

My Harley CVO Roadking came with one from the factory, and I had to have the hoses and clamps replaced twice due to 'leaks'!
That's the only bike I've ever had with one.

That's my :zz2cents:
 

Knuckles

Active Member
As stated Harley is installing coolers from the factory on many models. I personally would never run a bike without one...but that's just me.
 

Blackie

08’ RIDGEBACK
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I have had twin coolers installed since bike was new. They keep temp down while moving but no noticeable difference while still or slow city cruising. People always think they are nitros bottles! No leaks after three years on fittings but I'm sure they will leak sooner or later.
 

Oldhvymetal

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Gents I went 'round and 'round with BD for about a year over oil temp warning light, which after using a thermal sensing dipstick in the reserve tank showed the oil was truly too hot.
This was with a TP 107" motor.
I made a call to, got an invite and visited with the good folks at Total Performance Engineering (an engineer, not a sales guy, one of the guys that designed the TP 107) and he told me they'd been recommending oil coolers on 107+ for a long time. BD simply refused to admit it. He wanted to make sure everything else I had tried was done properly and there were no stoppages or clogs in the system before he told me that.
I did some homework and finally went with twin Davern Machine aircraft grade aluminum coolers, with leather covers... using AN adapters to avoid leakage- but the bike wouldn't warm up fast enough, heheh. I solved that by putting a thermostat on the left hand (only) side. Keep in mind hooking up all that with braided hose helps keep the oil in the wind as well, mine took 8' of braided hose, which I would guess is like adding a third cooler... so it goes like this:
Right hand cooler is always on, with some additional braided hose and a leather cover.
Left hand cooler (and additional braided hose) comes online when/if the oil temp reaches 190 degrees or higher (due to thermostat), and helps let the bike warm up faster than if there was no thermostat.
If the temp continues to get out of hand, I remove one or both of the leather covers- I've only had to do that twice in the last 8 or so years since I've made the change. Both times I believe it was when I was stuck in beach traffic on very hot (100+) days. But I haven't overheated since making the change. More oil moving further, even in stop and go traffic, makes for cooler oil. The system doesn't leak- though I have had to change the thermostat a few times. But hey it's a thermostat, you know... remember you're old Plymouth?
...it does make for a 5 qt oil change, if that's a problem. And this all happened back when we were arguing over synthetic vs fossil oil. Synthetic oil does run cooler but I bet all youse guys is running that by now.

Funny I just tried to do a search for Davern Machine, it looks like they got bought out or are out of business.
The Harley ones is butt-ugly IMO... but there's some others out there that don't look too bad.
My other bikes have 88" motors, but if they were bigger I would run a cooler like I do on the 107. In fact, I would run twins like I do now. LOL, one guy a few weeks ago on an anniversary K9 says: "Ya and I got twin oil coolers". I said to him: "Really? Do you think I'm stoopit or somethin'? One of them is a spiked cooler, the other is a stash tube--- unless like there's an invisible delivery system run from one to the other within the frame. There's no hose between them."
He says: "Well OK, one's a stash tube."
I accepted a beer. I wonder if he really knew before I pointed that out? Oh well. I talked to him about the benefits of a thermostat.
Peace,
OHM
 

chacha

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Running a Jaggs cooler on the 107" with a thermostat...been more than happy with it.
 

DRBarnhart

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Got a couple of questions for ya...
...after using a thermal sensing dipstick in the reserve tank showed the oil was truly too hot.
What was the temperature?
...visited with the good folks at Total Performance Engineering...
Do you think the same problem exists with the S&S heads? Or is this a TP only issue?
...went with twin Davern Machine aircraft grade aluminum coolers, with leather covers...
Why would you add a cooler then cover it up with leather?
If the temp continues to get out of hand...
Again, I'm wondering what the definition of "getting out of hand" is?

Thanks for the info! :cheers:

Dennis
 

Nukeranger

Nukeranger
:) FYI, my 117 2008 Ridgeback barely makes it to 180 degrees Fahrenheit on my daily ride 13 miles each way to work and back.:D

PS I checked the oil temperature gauge with two back up thermometers and a thermal gun.
 

Buster03

Member
On a bike I built I had a valve inbetween the cooler and filter so you could shut of the cooler when you wanted it was made by a cooler company. I also know they have valve today that open and close automaticly. Remenber Buy American The job you save might be your own!
 

Buster03

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On a bike I built I had a valve inbetween the cooler and filter so you could shut of the cooler when you wanted it was made by a cooler company. I also know they have valve today that open and close automaticly. Remenber Buy American The job you save might be your own!
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Oldhvymetal

Member
Arghh... I wrote this whole long big reply, but something went wrong and it didn't post.

I'll post pics of my setup, and answer Doc's (and anybody else's) questions, but it's late here now I figure you guys will survive for a day or two I'll get back to y'all asap. I need to get some sleep and get up in the mornin' and get to work...
Stay tuned, hopefully tomorrow after I get home... you rock.
Peace, Respect,
OHM
 

Buster03

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I wrote S&S yesterday and asked the question about coolers cause right now its been over 100 degrees for over two weeks here in Shawnee OKlahoma. and he told me a cooler would be a good idea oil can get as hot as 230 degrees but he did say to buy one that is a low mount. so I wonder where that leaves the big dog cooler
 

Buster03

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I wrote S&S yesterday and asked the question about coolers cause right now its been over 100 degrees for over two weeks here in Shawnee OKlahoma. and he told me a cooler would be a good idea oil can get as hot as 230 degrees but he did say to buy one that is a low mount. so I wonder where that leaves the big dog cooler
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