Fuel Injected dogs

Throttle

Member
I have a 2007 EFI Bulldog, it will overheat very quickly in traffic in excess on 90 -95 degree's. It takes around 12-15 minutes. It will correct itself once moving again. But, it is bull. Other than this issue, my dealer wouldn't install 600 cam mod because of the EFI. Starts great and runs excellent 98% of the time.
 

seatmaker

Well-Known Member
Well like Jesse James said on one of his TV shows, Carb all the way, EFI ? Well that's how the cops are gonna catch ya. Hit a button and your shut down. Interesting, surprised the technology ain't out there yet, or is it? :eek:
 

Nomad2day

Longhair Redneck Geek
i think my next purchase is somekind of temp sensor. i really believe it is doing this too soon. any recom.. on a digital sensor?
I have a 2007 EFI Bulldog, it will overheat very quickly in traffic in excess on 90 -95 degree's. It takes around 12-15 minutes. It will correct itself once moving again. But, it is bull. Other than this issue, my dealer wouldn't install 600 cam mod because of the EFI. Starts great and runs excellent 98% of the time.
I would think you could simply put a resistor into the circuit and make it think it is cooler than the sensor says it is so the software does not go into misfire mode...:D
 

BigDogBro1

Made in the USA
My 07 Bulldog runs great near mid to end of each season in Michigan. But when I pull the battery for storage the EFI needs to relearn the mapping again in spring and spits and coughs once in awhile for a few 2k miles till it relearns the routine. No big problem! I just go on with my ride and enjoy life on my Bigdog!!!!!!!!!!
 

Nomad2day

Longhair Redneck Geek
My 07 Bulldog runs great near mid to end of each season in Michigan. But when I pull the battery for storage the EFI needs to relearn the mapping again in spring and spits and coughs once in awhile for a few 2k miles till it relearns the routine. No big problem! I just go on with my ride and enjoy life on my Bigdog!!!!!!!!!!
BigDogBro1,
After 20 miles or so it should know everything it needs in the mapping and run fine then.....The base map should stay intact and it is only making changes for the daily factors of the weather and bike sensor conditions....Perhaps BDM needs to re-flash your map and firmware to there latest version...
Neil
 

Throttle

Member
I have 2007 Bulldog .. Feb production. I have issued when the temperatures gets above 90 a mild traffic.. Lucky, it has not cutoff. I do like the easy start and general performance. I do agree, at 4,000 the torque seems to flatten out.
 

pknowles

RETIRED
07 bulldog efi never had any issues with overheating. We try not to ride in the 95 plus range. Guess this comes with age. Those sensors are there to protect the bike not you. I got more time than money, i would have to wait. You might want to check on converting to carb.
 

zukiking

New Member
i have a 2007 bull dog efi i have had more problems than you could think of on my 3rd ehc 2 ecm just spent $900 in daytone have a bigdog tec from the factory work on my bike for 2 days he changed everything u could think of to find out it was a bad injector,got home turned the key on and the bike trys to start on its own and doent stop.i hate this bike,im just about done with it!!!
 
I'm having the same problem with my 2009 wolf, has anybody tried to install a resistor, do you think that would work. Man if that would that would be a easy fix.
 

Nomad2day

Longhair Redneck Geek
I'm having the same problem with my 2009 wolf, has anybody tried to install a resistor, do you think that would work. Man if that would that would be a easy fix.
Yes you can do this.
I have done this to test the system.
It will stay in warm up mode longer though but not a big deal. It would be simpler to have a BDM shop change the heat setting in the software seeing how we no longer have a BDM warranty. If cash is not a real big issue, just put a open model on it and you can do what ever you wish.
I would ohm the temperature sensor to be sure it is reading dead on. I can tell you what the resistance reading should be for all the temperature ranges so you can verify it. I will post a spreadsheet later on all the readings.
I just got in from Florida a few minutes ago so let me wind down some.
Neil
 
I also have the 2007 Bull Dog. I absolutely love it. No problems hot or cold yet. Have the radius exhuast and twin spiked air filters and bout half baffles. 100 plus temps this summer and absolutely no problems. Looks, sounds and performs perfect!
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
... in daytone have a bigdog tec from the factory work on my bike for 2 days he changed everything u could think of to find out it was a bad injector,got home turned the key on and the bike trys to start on its own and doent stop.i hate this bike,im just about done with it!!!
Wait a minute. You have the factory tech change everything possible, you now turn the key on only, not push any buttons, the bike keeps the starter motor engaged till you turn the key off?

No offense to you carb guys/gals, but if you rode to some mountain resort with a carb, the air would go thin. The gas would still pump in the same amount of gas, but less air to send one molecule bouncing off another kind of poor [rich] running.

With the EFI, it knows air density. It knows it is running rich if the 02 is in play or [in closed loop], meaning. Even in open loop, it still knows to lean out, via sensor inputs. You pull up a map to lean out. You can't pull up a jet and lean out. Well, if you had the parts and tools, yes you could.

So that says, you park off to the side of the road twice to change jetting. You carb guys look 'the fool(s) on the hill,' no? If there is a ground problem, you've got a problem. If the units are so bad, then the initial concept does not work?

Then, it is not the software. It is not the hardware. It is usually something outside the box? If the box is grounded, the concept works. FI has to follow X and Y no matter the engine configuration. In other words, an 02 in a car, follows the same software as a bike. That is the software concept.

There is no set 'learn' where it is just a box full of maps to pull up, following your rpm moves? I think that 'learn' is a constant. Yes, I know the cars can learn your throttle routine and now the wife uses the car? Does it lean all over again her throttle input? The car bucks and spits because her X to Y is not your X to Y?

Lean? I think that was some old way of introducing FI to the clueless? Every 360° never is exactly the same, yes or no? Every traffic jam is never the same rpm. Some are dead in the water. Some creep along. The ECU learns or is on top of it every degree?

Okay, it was a faulty injector. It was not the box. WATT does that tell you? I am arguing in favor of FI. :up:

So, here are my carb buddies off to the side of the road, dropping float bowls for the second time, we are heading downhill. I'm waiting for them like a bear chits in the woods, I make the forest my toilet bowl.
 

BigDogBro1

Made in the USA
I have access to a brand new '07 K9 with EFI, BR pipes and cone intake (sitting in my barn). On Saturday, I am going to ride it "back to back" with my '07 K9 with carb, BR pipes, and .600 cam. My bike has about 4600 miles, the other K9 has about 250 miles. I want to check out the "seat of the pants" power of each bike, the throttle response, etc. Also want to check out any balance/weight distribution issues because I just put an open primary on my bike.
Oh yeah, it's going to be about 72 degrees and partly cloudy. :cheers:
I'm not aware of any other model than the Bulldog was made in 2007 running with EFI, unless it's a late 2007 factory changeover model that snuck in to the 2007 mix.
 

BigDogBro1

Made in the USA
I've had nothing but problems with my 2008 K-9 EFI. How would you feel if every time you left the house on your bike you had to worry if it would leave you stranded on the road? The engine simply quits, no warning nothing. The solution from Big Dog is take it to the nearest dealer (120 miles away) leave it while the dealer mechanic talks to the factory technician and hope they can figure out what the problem is within a reasonable time, say a week or two or three? I'm broke down again and trailering back to the dealer hopefully for a solution. For me, Big Dog experience, been there, done that, not again!!!!!!!!!

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You need to check the crimp tightness at the wires that tie to the battery posts. I had a few wires that were loosening at the CRIMPED areas on the connectors and causing the bike to die like shutting off the key.

These wires provide ground and power to the EHC and EFI/ECM modules and if the crimps are loose the voltage to the modules power source will drop out intermittently and cause all kinds of erratic behavior.

Also check your keyswitch, and don't hang anything heavy from the key. The BDM switches are there just to connect an EHC low voltage input signal to Ground telling the EHC that the key is ON and ready for starting. If the keyswitch is worn internally then the contacts can OPEN from engine vibration and trick the EHC into thinking the switch was turned OFF when it's still in the on position.

There are plenty of threads here on this subject...do a search.
 
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