Busted it good!

[Th3InfamousI]

Hey Eric, when you talked to Bandit you say the entire unit is $500? Im guessing that you still reuse the outer chain sprocket with starter ring? Do you know if that includes the inner hub and the carrier? If so did you ask if they would sell a carrier with the bearing and inner hub assembled to use with the rest of the stock parts. Sorry to bug but hate how no one is open weekends.

No worries ...you know they told me for $500 it would all drop in. But I'm not 100% sure it comes with a ring gear. Seems to cheap. I didn't ask since I wasn't gonna go that road but I'm actually thinking I might spring for the whole unit now I haven't installed the carrier yet. Still need the new hub.

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[Twisted]

No worries ...you know they told me for $500 it would all drop in. But I'm not 100% sure it comes with a ring gear. Seems to cheap. I didn't ask since I wasn't gonna go that road but I'm actually thinking I might spring for the whole unit now I haven't installed the carrier yet. Still need the new hub.

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Thanks man, I'll give them a call on Monday and ask some questions then figure out which direction I'm gonna go. I'll call Baker too about the hub. Looks like at least a week of no riding here.

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[cdogg556]

Damn Butch! This sucks brother, well while your in there you might as well do it right so that baby is bulletproof! This is gonna be the next project for me when I get some time and money, I been avoiding it for some time now, good luck my friend!

 

[Twisted]

Damn Butch! This sucks brother, well while your in there you might as well do it right so that baby is bulletproof! This is gonna be the next project for me when I get some time and money, I been avoiding it for some time now, good luck my friend!

Thanks John, yeah shit happens, hopefully she'll be back on the road soon! Just glad I caught it before it caused more damage.

 

[Bdm4ever]

You guys are the luckiest guys on the face of the earth.

No shit!!

 

[Bdm4ever]

This is interesting. Kinda lends one to realize an open primary may be better in the long run with the dogs. I like the looks of the OP but not the price. But if I keep having problems with clutch plates and bearing I might have to consider it. What do you guys think?

 

[Twisted]

This is interesting. Kinda lends one to realize an open primary may be better in the long run with the dogs. I like the looks of the OP but not the price. But if I keep having problems with clutch plates and bearing I might have to consider it. What do you guys think?

I always loved the look of an open belt drive, but too pricey for my blood. I'm sure they can have their share of issues too, just like anything else.

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[Bdm4ever]

I always loved the look of an open belt drive, but too pricey for my blood. I'm sure they can have their share of issues too, just like anything else.

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Thanks Butch I'm in the exact same boat.

 

[Twisted]

Was just thinking, why is it that I have 12 clutch plates but all I see listed anywhere on the Baker site and ebay are 9 pack clutch replacements. Am I gonna be able to find a replacement 12 plate setup if I ever need one?

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[Th3InfamousI]

Was just thinking, why is it that I have 12 clutch plates but all I see listed anywhere on the Baker site and ebay are 9 pack clutch replacements. Am I gonna be able to find a replacement 12 plate setup if I ever need one?

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yep they have 9 and 12 but you probably don't need new clutch plates. I highly doubt you do. EnergyOne made the Friction Plates they are actually a Forum Vendor you can call and get them direct if needed, but again unless you got 30k+ miles you shouldn't have to replace them.

You wanna make sure you clutch stack height when assembled is up to spec though. If it's not then I would recommend swapping out some of the thin steel for a slightly thicker one to bring your stack height back in-line. Big Dog went to a 12 plate clutch system and just used thinner steel so they will actually wear a bit and when the stack height gets out of spec it makes these Big Dog clutches hard to adjust. Energy One is great to deal with I called them last year

 

[Th3InfamousI]

Butch forgot to ask what does your pressure plate look like?

Baker has a hardened upgraded pressure plate too...haha see a theme here? You want the darker one or it will wear that first friction plate all funny

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[Twisted]

yep they have 9 and 12 but you probably don't need new clutch plates. I highly doubt you do. EnergyOne made the Friction Plates they are actually a Forum Vendor you can call and get them direct if needed, but again unless you got 30k+ miles you shouldn't have to replace them.

You wanna make sure you clutch stack height when assembled is up to spec though. If it's not then I would recommend swapping out some of the thin steel for a slightly thicker one to bring your stack height back in-line. Big Dog went to a 12 plate clutch system and just used thinner steel so they will actually wear a bit and when the stack height gets out of spec it makes these Big Dog clutches hard to adjust. Energy One is great to deal with I called them last year

No mine looks great at 11,000 miles, just wanted to make sure they are available still. Clutch felt great till the carrier broke, guess a week ago seeing as thats when I started noticing problems.Thanks man! I'll take a look in the manual to see how to measure the stack height.

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[Twisted]

Butch forgot to ask what does your pressure plate look like?

Baker has a hardened upgraded pressure plate too...haha see a theme here? You want the darker one or it will wear that first friction plate all funny

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Lmao, yeah I have the nice bright one on the left. Pretty bad that they have to keep upgrading their parts to what they should have been in the first place. I'll take a closer look at mine to see if it's at all worn. If it is then it will seal the deal for the bandit assembly. Otherwise the bill for Baker it gonna outweigh the price of the bandit. Gotta love it! Now stop thinking of shit to empty my pockets.

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[Th3InfamousI]

Lmao, yeah I have the nice bright one on the left. Pretty bad that they have to keep upgrading their parts to what they should have been in the first place. I'll take a closer look at mine to see if it's at all worn. If it is then it will seal the deal for the bandit assembly. Otherwise the bill for Baker it gonna outweigh the price of the bandit. Gotta love it! Now stop thinking of shit to empty my pockets.

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Take your finger and you'll feel the ridges worn worn into that plate

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[BWG56]

Lmao, yeah I have the nice bright one on the left. Pretty bad that they have to keep upgrading their parts to what they should have been in the first place. I'll take a closer look at mine to see if it's at all worn. If it is then it will seal the deal for the bandit assembly. Otherwise the bill for Baker it gonna outweigh the price of the bandit. Gotta love it! Now stop thinking of shit to empty my pockets.

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Whether the job big or small, do it right or not at all.

And your right about the teflon coating, why wasn't it put on there in the first place. maybe ya wanna add a new throw out bearing to your list also

 

[Twisted]

Whether the job big or small, do it right or not at all.

And your right about the teflon coating, why wasn't it put on there in the first place. maybe ya wanna add a new throw out bearing to your list also

Didn't know you were a poet too,lol. Your right, would make sense to put in a new throw out bearing, don't think that's included in the bandit setup but I'll find out.

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[Th3InfamousI]

Whether the job big or small, do it right or not at all.

And your right about the teflon coating, why wasn't it put on there in the first place. maybe ya wanna add a new throw out bearing to your list also

Throw out bearing is a good idea too..haha

Yea man anything else you want to take on that order?

 

[Twisted]

OK I'll post it here for anyone else looking.

I brought the busted carrier into work today to show our mechanic the destruction, he's worked on, built, and rode bikes most of his life as well as being a marine mechanic and now our public works mechanic. He said he's seen a lot worse blow apart in some Harleys! He said he'd be able to get the inner hub pressed out if I wanted cause it's in perfect shape he said and gives me options, so he did. So I called Bandit and Baker at lunch and this is what I found.

Bandit had the carrier with a bearing pressed in for $140 like Eric got. I asked him if they sold a flanged hub too and they said they do not, only way to get it through them is to buy the complete assembly which he said has it built into the their carrier. Now the cost for the complete new setup that includesa 14 clutch pack and everything except the outer sprocket cage is $599 according to the guy I spoke to. Seeing as thats way out of my price range right now i went ahead and ordered the carrier and bearing for $140.

Next I called Baker, there clutch carrier assembly is $395 with the inner hub. I asked him how much for just the inner flange hub that's pressed in the bearing and I was told they no longer sell them by themselves, you have to buy the whole $395 set! So if Curtis has any left I suggest anyone wanting to go the Bandit carrier route better get one while he has them.

So in the end I'm going the cheap route for now. My flange hub looks great as does my pressure plate and top clutch disk, didn't look anything like the one you showed Eric. So I ordered the Bandit carrier and bearing, and a new hardened nut and washer from Baker. Also got some Spectro 6 speed oil for the Trans and Spectro Primary oil along with a new chain tensioner shoe ( mine was grooved) and some new primary o rings just in case all from Dead One. All parts should be here before the weekend and be back on the road for only about $260. Down the road if I have some free cash I'll upgrade everything or go with the Bandit full setup. But I'd like to send the Trans to Andrew someday to get an updated mainshaft anyway and maybe that's the time to do a full upgrade. But for now this will do just fine.

After I found out they don't have the flanged hub, I didn't even think about asking what the throw out bearing went for, mine seems good so I'll run with it.

 

[Jwooky]

Cant argue with your logic.