Biker Gang shoot out in Waco

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Nukeranger

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I always knew Jonathan was Bad Ass. You could just tell being around him. You get that "Don't mess with me" feeling but feel comfortable around him. Alpha Male for sure. I was just glad he made me some ear plugs and I didn't get hurt! Seriously, good person and easy to be around but you get that feeling he will protect those around him.
 

Tim

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The bottom line should always be innocent until proven guilty. More and more stories are coming out that normal dudes are still locked up, losing their jobs, because of this. It truly appears as if nothing is being done to prove any of these men are guilty of anything. Until the cops have real evidence to charge these men on, let them go.

This should be a concern to all of us, just cause we ride doesn't make us gang members. And being at a CoC meeting doesn't either. It's pure crap and the further abuse of power by the government and police.

But let's not let this thread get political. :D
 

aspen874

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That is f***** up, now they another issue on their hands, there's going to be a lot of lawsuits over this.
 

liferider

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Bill the last thing I am is a "Liar or Yuppy" you have no idea of my past my present, nor of me period! You have no clue who I run with,nor the group I ride with. And yes most are Bandidos or Gray Ghost. And as far as Yuppy goes I guess this is the new look!image.jpg And yes nuke is correct. I am not a very nice person when confronted. And the the guy to my left is a Kioshi Master, and inside my vest is a .45 Springfield Armory!
 

liferider

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Bill the last thing I am is a "Liar or Yuppy" you have no idea of my past my present, nor of me period! You have no clue who I run with,nor the group I ride with. And yes most are Bandidos or Gray Ghost. And as far as Yuppy goes I guess this is the new look!View attachment 25056 And yes nuke is correct. I am not a very nice person when confronted. And the the guy to my left is a Kioshi Master who is with me 90% of the time including all 11 trips to Sturgis and inside my vest is a .45 Springfield Armory!
 

aspen874

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I don't know Jonathan, you got things hanging off you boots and you are standing in front of a Harley Davidson dealership :D
 

liferider

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I don't know Jonathan, you got things hanging off you boots and you are standing in front of a Harley Davidson dealership :D
Those are called 1/2 chaps. those are not boots. They protect your chin's on long rides from rocks. And the HD dealer was having a huge complementary free crawfish boil down in Alexandria.
 

BadDawg Bill

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" I really don't fit in with this forum, the club life style and all the yuppie bikers but a few of the guys on here are true bikers and I enjoy reading their posts and helping newbies out". Damn Bill, I don't quite know what to think about this post. I don't know what group you are putting me in but I damn sure ain't a yuppie and have never belonged to any "clubs". I joined this forum while looking for help to keep my bike running and have enjoyed it the last five years. With the spectrum of characters on here it has also been a great source of entertainment. If for one minute I thought I didn't belong here I just would never show up again.
You are one of the guys on here that I enjoy reading your posts and consider a buddy. I would ride with you any day of the week. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I know as a forum with members from all over the world there will be many different types of people at different skill levels/experience. Being 63 and having lived the "biker" lifestyle all my life I have become set in my ways and opinions. It seems I upset a lot of people here by being honest and saying what I believe to be true. That's why I said I really don't fit in. I've gotten a lot of PM's from guys who said "I liked your post but I can't say that in a post because it would upset others". That's too bad they feel they can't post what they feel/believe. Guys like me and Woodbutcher do it all the time.

The main reason we are all here is to help others and have some fun. It's all about the bikes and our adventures. I've really tried to help but seem to get flamed more than thanked. I was riding/building bikes before most of these flamers were born. In "real" life I ride with a bunch of guys who have been there, did that and got the T-shirt. No one stands above the others and we respect one another. There is no "club", no rules and no newbies. I feel that way about many of the members here that would "fit" into our group that's why I come back.

So again, I didn't mean to upset anyone and if I did I'm sorry but everyone has a right to their own opinion even this "old fuck" as Curtis has pointed out. Luv ya buddy....

And Liferider, Sorry about the post and I didn't mean to say you were wrong just that I found you very lucky to be alive knowing what I know. Peace brother...
 
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shovelcowboy

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You are one of the guys on here that I enjoy reading your posts and consider a buddy. I would ride with you any day of the week. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I know as a forum with members from all over the world there will be many different types of people at different skill levels/experience. Being 63 and having lived the "biker" lifestyle all my life I have become set in my ways and opinions. It seems I upset a lot of people here by being honest and saying what I believe to be true. That's why I said I really don't fit in. I've gotten a lot of PM's from guys who said "I liked your post but I can't say that in a post because it would upset others". That's too bad they feel they can't post what they feel/believe. Guys like me and Woodbutcher do it all the time.

The main reason we are all here is to help others and have some fun. It's all about the bikes and our adventures. I've really tried to help but seem to get flamed more than thanked. I was riding/building bikes before most of these flamers were born. In "real" life I ride with a bunch of guys who have been there, did that and got the T-shirt. No one stands above the others and we respect one another. There is no "club", no rules and no newbies. I feel that way about many of the members here that would "fit" into our group that's why I come back.

So again, I didn't mean to upset anyone and if I did I'm sorry but everyone has a right to their own opinion even this "old fuck" as Curtis has pointed out. Luv ya buddy....

And Liferider, Sorry about the post and I didn't mean to say you were wrong just that I found you very lucky to be alive knowing what I know. Peace brother...
Well put Bill! I would ride with you anytime AND listen to your opinions (maybe agreeing, maybe not). Last I heard, we live in the Good Ol' US of A, so let's Enjoy our Freedoms!

Shovelcowboy (Ken)
 

BadDawg Bill

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Well put Bill! I would ride with you anytime AND listen to your opinions (maybe agreeing, maybe not). Last I heard, we live in the Good Ol' US of A, so let's Enjoy our Freedoms!

Shovelcowboy (Ken)
Thanks buddy. Guys like you are the reason I come back. Be safe...
 

liferider

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Here they come!

A civil rights violation lawsuit was filed last Friday by one of those arrested at the Waco Shootout. The facts alleged in the complaint, if true, only confirms what I have believed all along.

Matthew Clendennen, a member of the Scimitars Motorcycle Club, filed the lawsuit. Clendennen has no prior criminal record, is a former member of two fire departments in Texas, has a graduate degree in business and finance from Baylor University, and is a self-employed business owner with six employees. He is also the father of two children; one with his current wife and has he custody of his first child.

When this story first broke, a lot of facts were not adding up. The most important fact was why a $1,000,000 bond was set per biker? It seemed excessive to say the least. As I wrote in a prior post– with time, the facts would be revealed.

For one, all those arrested were charged with engaging in “organized crime.” These might be common charges in situations such as the Italian Mafia where they have been under surveillance for months at a time or one of its members gets arrested and decides to “flip.” Or, if law enforcement has infiltrated a gang and has enough evidence to proceed with criminal prosecutions against multiple members. But, I haven’t seen it with these type of facts and just one incident. I was waiting for the bikers to be charged individually, but, these trumped-up charges has resulted in criminal defense attorneys throughout the country stating that the Waco State Attorney’s Office has their work cut-out for them. I agree. With the facts presented, I fail to see how “organized crime” charges will stick.

The issue with a $1 million dollar bond was also mind boggling until now. The arrest warrants were issued by a Justice of the Peace, not a judge! A Justice of the Peace has the authority to hear misdemeanor cases if no jail time is sought and civil cases not exceeding $10,000 (small claims courts). The Justice of the Peace that issued the arrest warrants, Walter H. “Pete” Peterson, is a former Public Safety Trooper with no formal legal training; meaning he is not a judge nor an attorney!

While I am no expert on 4thAmendment Illegal Search/Seizure law, I do have 16 years of experience in the law as an attorney, that of course after 3 years of law school and passing the Florida bar exam. I also teach 4th Amendment law at the undergraduate collegiate level, which means I definitely have more experience than Justice Peterson. With that being said, with cases as legally complex as this one, at a minimum, a judge with criminal law experience should have issued the warrants. My original question of what kind of a judge would issue a $1 million bond in these cases was finally answered- NO JUDGE! To have a Justice of the Peace with no formal legal education issue the arrest warrants in a high profile legally complex criminal case, makes a mockery of our legal system. Or, was Justice Peterson chosen because the Waco Police Department knew he would rubber stamp the arrest warrants?

Of course, the attorneys involved, have proceeded to file motions on bond reductions and habeas corpus writs, but from what I have read, those hearings aren’t scheduled until August. In the meantime, everyone is being held on a $1 million dollar bond and those like Clendennen, will be at risk of losing their homes and businesses, while their bikes sit impounded at a tow yard. Up to now, only one person was able to post bond.

The Complaint Affidavit that was filed with the lawsuit, mentions that Los Bandidos Motorcycle Club and the Cossacks Motorcycle Club are “criminal gangs” according to the Texas Department of Public Safety, but it doesn’t state that for Scimitars Motorcycle Club; a crucial fact that was omitted. An oversight? As a matter of fact, it seems the same arrest affidavit was submitted for all the bikers arrested with the only difference is filling in their names and dates of birth in the areas left blank. Rubber stamp?

The surveillance video from Twin Peaks has yet to be released to the public, but it was shown to the Associated Press which reported it is clear one shot was fired from one club member to another. This occurred outside, not inside as reported by the Waco Police Department. They were there, not sure how they got that wrong. From there, bikers start running into the restaurant to hide inside, which included the kitchen and the bathroom. There is even footage of bikers waving to patrons of the restaurant to take cover. When the police entered the restaurant, there were already bikers spread eagle on the floor.

Unfortunately, too many bikers and motorcycle enthusiasts who happened to be present were arrested as well, including one club member of Vice Grip Motorcycle Club, which is comprised of mechanics who work on vintage bikes, especially Harley Davidsons.

There seems no doubt so far that the Waco Police Department has overreacted by arresting anyone and everyone that was there, whether part of the shooting or not, including groups that meet at Twin Peaks twice a month to discuss bikers’ rights. What this means is if someone like me who is not privy to the happenings of the motorcycle community is in Waco and sees a couple of hundred of motorcycles parked at one location, I’m thinking great- a motorcycle party or event. I would have been the first one to stop, hang out, talk to the bikers about what roads to take, etc… only to be arrested and sit in jail with a ridiculous $1 million bond that was issued by someone who doesn’t have the qualifications to make such a determination in the first place. Too many “were at the wrong place at the wrong time” and the price for that is $100,000 out of pocket plus attorney’s fees. Meanwhile, Dennis Hastert, the former House Speaker who has been indicted for violating banking laws and using $3.5 million in funds as hush money to hide “prior wrong-doings,” well… his bond was set at $4,500.

A few days ago I told a friend how I thought this would play out- so I’ll do it now. A very large percentage of these cases will be dismissed all together or reduced plea offers will be made most likely to misdemeanor offenses. Those offers will mostly likely be accepted because litigation is expensive and many would want to put this behind them and move on with their lives. However, how many will seek lawsuits based on violations of their civil rights? The state will be applying pressure for convictions in their plea offers or maybe even push cases to trial to obtain convictions because a conviction will make it that much harder to win a civil rights lawsuit. A civil rights lawsuit will not only be expensive if lost for the county of Waco, but it also means more litigation and more scrutiny for the clubs, which they may wish to avoid all together. One thing is for sure; there are more twists and turns to this case than a ride on the Dragon.

Regardless, it’s time for the bikers in Texas to unite and start scheduling rallies all over Texas to bring further attention to this case and with luck, some investigative reporting will be done. At these rallies, donations should be collected for a defense fund for the bikers. They need help now more than ever, whether club members or not, they are entitled to a defense by competent counsel!
 

BadDawg Bill

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1+ I think the law in Waco is running scared now because they can be sued for false arrest and imprisonment among other things and with 169 bikers that could add up to a whole lot of $$. Too bad all these shit head lawyers that advertize in the biker mags won't come and help. I hope the jailed bikers know their rights and don't sign away their "due justice".
 

francoblay1

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FBI Admits All Registered Motorcycle Owners Are On Classified Gang List


Rich-Joseph Facun / AP Images for Harley Davidson

MSNBC correspondent Jeremy Lancaster sat down with government official Darrin Cornia to discuss recent rumors that have been in circulation in regard to registered motorcycle owners being placed on a classified FBI gang list.

Darrin Cornia who currently holds a position within the National Security Branch of the government agreed to complete transparency prior to the interview with MSNBC’s Jeremy Lancaster and did remain direct and seemingly forthright throughout his conversation with Lancaster.

After a few moments of introduction, Lancaster bluntly asked the following question,” Mr. Cornia, if I were to make the statement, all registered motorcycle owners are currently showing on a classified FBI gang list, would the statement be true or false?

Cornia responded by saying, “That would be a true statement, the FBI has been collecting and compiling Department of Motor Vehicles and Drivers License Division records for the purpose of adding those that own motorcycles to a classified gang list since 1994.

Lancaster asked Cornia to explain the reasoning behind the list which seems inappropriately broad, to Cornia answered the question with the following statement, “It’s nothing more than collecting and utilizing data. We may not like to admit it, but the truth of the matter is that those that own and operate motorcycles are 67% more likely to be involved in illegal or criminal activity than those that do not own or operate a motorcycle.”

The National Security Official went on to explain, “It’s the same as firearms, if local P.D or Highway Patrol were to pull someone over that is a registered firearm owner, that officer has the right to know this information going into the interaction, the same could be said about a local P.D or Highway Patrol Officer that pulled over a registered motorcycle owner, the situations are honestly interchangeable in the eyes of National and Homeland Security.

MSNBC correspondent Jeremy Lancaster asked Cornia if placing citizens on a gang list just because they are registered motorcycle owners is considered as profiling, Cornia responded to the question by saying, “as a nation do we complain when we add someone that has a Crips or Bloods tattoo to a gang list even though the individual swears up and down that they don’t have gang affiliation? Again these are 2 situations that are interchangeable, we can’t pick and choose.”

Lancaster asked how individuals can find out if they are on this classified gang list to which Cornia responded, “Did you register a motorcycle or obtain a Class M license anytime between the year 1994 and 2015? If so, than you are on the list.”

The MSNBC correspondent concluded the interview by asking Cornia, “aside from potential profiling from law enforcement, are there potentially any additional consequences of being on this gang list?” Cornia responded by saying, “the purpose of the list is to collect and utilize data, not to create consequences. Aside from notifying law enforcement that you are a registered motorcycle owner or operator, it can show up to potential employers on select background checks.”
 
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