Bike throwing up!

john sachs

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Do you still have the front head hose barb connected to the intake manifold ? If so that can cause the problem you have.
The 1 way valve (black & white valve in line)on the hose of the rear head is very easy to check if it's working. Blow through 1 end, and then the other end. You should be able to get air out of a 1 end only. I've never seen one that was bad yet.
John
 

SMCT

Active Member
It is very, very easy to over fill these engines, and that's due to 2 inherent issues. The first is the thick oil and checking the oil level when it's not fully heat soaked. The second being the weak scavenge side of the oil pump. Due to the inherent flaws of these engines, the best way for accuracy on oil amount, is to completely drain the system dry, then put in 2 3/4 quarts total. If you check these engines idling and on the kick stand, you highly run the risk of over filling, because at idle, the scavenge side of the pump and gear rpms is not enough to put the oil back in the tank. You actually should raise the idle (off idle) so that the scavenge side starts to put it back into the tank, then you can check it. So, in a case such as described herein this topic, if the bike is idling and on it's kickstand, the majority of the oil can be sitting in the crankcase, giving the end user a false sense that his engine is low on oil. So, oil then is added, and then on a ride with engine rpms above idle it goes back into the tank at a higher level, but it doesn't puke it at that point. The point it pukes it, is when it's back at idle (now all of the oil and excess is in the crankcase) then off idle and moving not giving it enough time to get back into the tank, the oil runs up the jugs, and pukes it into the over flow tube, of which should never be hooked into the air cleaner because then all that oil gets sucked up in through the carb and burned and the rest just pours all over the side of the bike. The oil that gets sucked up into the carb and burned in the chamber will emit white smoke.
 

TapioK

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It is very, very easy to over fill these engines, and that's due to 2 inherent issues. The first is the thick oil and checking the oil level when it's not fully heat soaked. The second being the weak scavenge side of the oil pump. Due to the inherent flaws of these engines, the best way for accuracy on oil amount, is to completely drain the system dry, then put in 2 3/4 quarts total. If you check these engines idling and on the kick stand, you highly run the risk of over filling, because at idle, the scavenge side of the pump and gear rpms is not enough to put the oil back in the tank. You actually should raise the idle (off idle) so that the scavenge side starts to put it back into the tank, then you can check it. So, in a case such as described herein this topic, if the bike is idling and on it's kickstand, the majority of the oil can be sitting in the crankcase, giving the end user a false sense that his engine is low on oil. So, oil then is added, and then on a ride with engine rpms above idle it goes back into the tank at a higher level, but it doesn't puke it at that point. The point it pukes it, is when it's back at idle (now all of the oil and excess is in the crankcase) then off idle and moving not giving it enough time to get back into the tank, the oil runs up the jugs, and pukes it into the over flow tube, of which should never be hooked into the air cleaner because then all that oil gets sucked up in through the carb and burned and the rest just pours all over the side of the bike. The oil that gets sucked up into the carb and burned in the chamber will emit white smoke.
That is one option, I was busy and lazy and did let a shop change fluids... I have changed my oils there my self before and didn’t even think the mechanic didn’t remember or know the correct amount... well, I’ll see
 

BigDogRick

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That is one option, I was busy and lazy and did let a shop change fluids... I have changed my oils there my self before and didn’t even think the mechanic didn’t remember or know the correct amount... well, I’ll see
Been there several times. I hate to see a trip interrupted by something five minutes and a turkey baster can solve.


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TapioK

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Do you still have the front head hose barb connected to the intake manifold ? If so that can cause the problem you have.
The 1 way valve (black & white valve in line)on the hose of the rear head is very easy to check if it's working. Blow through 1 end, and then the other end. You should be able to get air out of a 1 end only. I've never seen one that was bad yet.
John
Yep. Should I just block the manifold and route the front head hose to ground?
 

Ribs

Live Free & Ride Hard
No one is mentioning the wrong oil filter.

Did you just change out the oil filter?

My guess is the wrong one was put back in. Looks the same thou.

If you look into the top of your old oil filter and see no black rubber seal inside the filter behind the little holes.

Now check the filter you have on now
And it has the black rubber your using the wrong filter.
And it causes crank case pressure which will blow oil out your breather tube.

The oil is suppose to flow back into the reservoir.

And that black rubber is blocking it and causing your problem.


If your oil return lines are outside your engine.
The oil is used then filtered. Our the other way around.

If your oil return lines are internal then
The oil filtered then used.

And that determines which oil filter you need too use.

I will get a photo and post to show
the difference.
Tomorrow
Got to sleep now.

Also your number two cylinder may have allot of oil in it remove plug and turn it over too clear the oil.
Clean it out with a little fuel

Ribs






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TapioK

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So, I’m back home and the cause is coming clear.... reed valve for breather was broken ! piece of it (most likely) found its way to oil pump and caused a ”little” problem....

What in earth broke the valve is a mystery, or maybe the whole sequence was other way around ...
 

Ribs

Live Free & Ride Hard
So, I’m back home and the cause is coming clear.... reed valve for breather was broken ! piece of it (most likely) found its way to oil pump and caused a ”little” problem....

What in earth broke the valve is a mystery, or maybe the whole sequence was other way around ...
Dang.


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Th3InfamousI

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So, I’m back home and the cause is coming clear.... reed valve for breather was broken ! piece of it (most likely) found its way to oil pump and caused a ”little” problem....

What in earth broke the valve is a mystery, or maybe the whole sequence was other way around ...
Your oil shaft looks broken too? Or did you cut it?

How's the rest of your crank case?

I replaced my oil pump because that damn shaft snapped as the woodruff key got stuck and welded itself into the gear. I replaced it with an ultima it's half the price as the S&S and hell I actually get better oil pressure numbers with the ultima High Flow pump than the stock S&S. It looks a little different but hell you can't see it! And now that your this deep in the oil pump you'll come to the same conclusion it's just a piece of aluminum can't be anything different between ultima and s&s then the price.

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TapioK

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Your oil shaft looks broken too? Or did you cut it?

How's the rest of your crank case?

I replaced my oil pump because that damn shaft snapped as the woodruff key got stuck and welded itself into the gear. I replaced it with an ultima it's half the price as the S&S and hell I actually get better oil pressure numbers with the ultima High Flow pump than the stock S&S. It looks a little different but hell you can't see it! And now that your this deep in the oil pump you'll come to the same conclusion it's just a piece of aluminum can't be anything different between ultima and s&s then the price.

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The shaft needed to be cut... not sure if I go Ultima or S&S , maybe S&S
 

TapioK

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Any updates?
Bike is in pieces, new pump ordered... never figured what broke the reed valve....
I am in Finland, its about 0 farenheit.... brain doesn’t work. I should get some work done on my Choppa (new starter) and on my Fat Boy and on friends Honda. So I’ll be busy if I ever get out to go to garage...
 
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