A Call For Action From The AMA

[Rick]

This may have previously been posted adn i missed it, have not been on this forum in a while. If so sorry for the additional post.

S. 616 aims at ending health care discrimination for individuals participating in legal transportation and recreational activities-activities like motorcycling, snowmobiling, skiing, horseback riding, and all-terrain vehicle riding.

This legislation addresses a loophole caused by a Department of Health and Human Services' rule making it possible for health care benefits to be denied to those who are injured while participating in these activities.

The AMA has prepared the following site a tool to encourage our elected officials to support this bill.

More here: AMA Rapid Response Center

Click on the Take Action button at the bottom!

 

[lee]

discrimination against smokers (and yes I am a smoker) and the like and I can sort of understand, but activities like you mention sounds a bit ridiculoucs to say the least - of course I don't your system as we have a national health service paid for by the government (or should I say us tax payers)

 

[KnotSo]

Lee, how do you like or dislike your health care system?

 

[lee]

its pretty shit but its certainly better than nothing but if you don't like it you can pay to go private instead. I see things on TV and the like where people in the States may not get treatment cus they don't have insurance - that would not happen here

 

[ajo771]

There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange Students in the class. One day while the class was in the Lab, the professor noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting Communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist regime.


In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?" The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was NO joke.


"You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly, the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity."

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax cuts, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.


One should always remember two truths: There is no such thing as a free lunch, and you can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.


If you see that all of this wonderful government "help" is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life, then you will probably delete this email, or pooh-pooh it; but God help you when the gate slams shut!

The only thing I can add to this is a question for you.....which candidates out there are most anxious to spread around the feed corn, and what might their motives be? Think about it.

 

[Gas Man]

its pretty shit but its certainly better than nothing but if you don't like it you can pay to go private instead. I see things on TV and the like where people in the States may not get treatment cus they don't have insurance - that would not happen here

I don't think anyone should have to be sick or major ill because they don't have insurance. That is rediculous, we're all human...

However, I work and contribute to the general population with my tax dollars. So I don't care if you help the needy as long as you don't take away my great health care to give it to them so we are now equal. If I'm buying their health care and mine. I should get some better treatment.

analogy
I'm running at A+ health care
the jobless fuck is at E

Don't knock me down to C and him up to C to make it fair. Cause its not. Fair that way but unfair to me who is the only one paying for it.
but I guess that is what Lee is talking about for private healthcare.

More on topic...

The AMA is always looking out for us. But I think this bill has been out for awhile hasn't it?

 

[Rick]

its pretty shit but its certainly better than nothing but if you don't like it you can pay to go private instead. I see things on TV and the like where people in the States may not get treatment cus they don't have insurance - that would not happen here

Actually Lee if you don't have insurance in the USA you go to the emergency room. You don't have to have an emergency to actually go to the emergency room, you can have a common cold, kid with an ear infection etc. The emergency room will NOT refuse to help you. Thus 15 million illegal immigrants in this country and all the legal folks that are uninsured use the emergency room like the average person would go see a doctor. Needless to say they are all piss poor and don't pay the bill. Thats why the hospital charges $20 for an asprine to the folks who do have insurance. To pay for all the uninsured's bills.

To give you an idea last year I cut my big toe walking around my yard in sandles. The cut was deep and required four yes 4 as in 1,2,3,4 stitches. I went to the emergency room thinking no big 4 stitches probably will run a couple hundred bucks and I have insurance. After all was said and done the hospital charged my insurance company $750 buck's! My deductible is $500 bucks a year so in one visit i paid my deductible for the year. Next time I will use super glue and glue the cut closed for about $1.50 for a tube of glue.

To come around to the original thread, if you are involved in a motorcycle accident and your health insurance declines to coverage becasue youwere riding a motorcycle, you are fucked. Depending on if the drive that hit you has coverage, and how serious your injuries are you could be bankrupt in a matter of minutes.

 

[lee]

I'm getting lost here a little bit - I totally agree with Gas that if one person pays insurance and another doesn't, the person who pays should be treated in priority if thats the system - however, I believe we all (well, maybe not all) have a right to medical treatment when we need it. If I need stitches, as I have done on a few occasions, I go to the doctors, or a hospital, and get stitches. It doesn't cost me anything and I don't need an insurance policy. Please don't think I'm criticising the system in the States here because I'm not - I don't know enought about it to do that.

 

[Rick]

Lee I was just replying to your comment "I see things on TV and the like where people in the States may not get treatment cus they don't have insurance - that would not happen here". People are not refused treatment in the states, thats a misnomer. They get treatment, everyone else just pays for it.

 

[Gas Man]

I agree Lee... we all deserve the right. I just don't want to see my good health care get jacked down to shit health care to provide it to others that are too F'in lazy to get a job and provide their own. Does that make sense?

 

[lee]

both of you gentlemen make perfect sense :2thumbs:

 

[TCALZ06]

I don't like having to pay for anyone who doesn't work or who has kids they can't pay for. There is no end and where are you going to shut it off on someone? Illegals are causing hospitals to close and the ER lines are about 10hrs. This is a huge expense and we are paying for it one way or the other.

two things that are bs
1. why can my wifes company get insurance for me at 1/2 what I can?
2. Why can a doctor charge me more when I have insurance?