$938.00 for 500 mile service and wrapping a muffler,and replacing frontvalve stem cap

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bearman

Active Member
First get the bike back, if you have to pay what he is asking, then so be it. It doesn’t matter what you do in court it will take a long time. Then it won’t matter how it turns out (even if you don’t have to pay for the extras that were done) he will charge you to store the bike for that long. If you think his labor rates were high, wait till you see his storage rates. Get the bike back so that you can enjoy it while your case winds it’s way through the court system.

If it goes to court he will just say that you did authorize it “over the phone”, and because there is no record, then it will be his word against yours. And since the burden of proof is on you, you will loose. Your lawyer will tell you this.

If you can get the bike back without paying for it, then do that. My dad once took his car back from a dealership that tried to charge him again after he brought it back for them to fix what they had already charged him for, but didn’t fix. They brought the car out front then told him he had to pay to get his key back. He told them to keep it he had another key in his pocket. They told him they would call the police, he said be sure to tell them where I live, its right there on the invoice. He got in his car and left. The police won’t touch it because it’s a “civil” matter (disagreement between two parties about money), not a crime. So in this case possession really is 9/10’s of the law. The dealership manager called my dad, my dad said to eat hay, and he would only talk to the owner. When the owner called my dad explained the situation to him and the owner said that he still owed the money, so my dad gave him his lawyers name and phone number and told him not to call back and to handle everything through the lawyer. He never heard anything about it again.
 
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Sven

Well-Known Member
pk has the best approach. He wants to discuss the bill so that does sound like you can negotiate, if not insist to see the hours billed like a lawyers? If there is small claims, pay that bill, ask for a detailed written receipt and sit there and wait for it. Do not hand over the money until you have all that time written out so you can hand that to small claims and bring receipts from other areas that would do the same work and hand those estimates to the judge and if that guy does not show up, ask the judge to 'shop lean' that motherficker
 

Fibersnake

Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
pk has the best approach. He wants to discuss the bill so that does sound like you can negotiate, if not insist to see the hours billed like a lawyers? If there is small claims, pay that bill, ask for a detailed written receipt and sit there and wait for it. Do not hand over the money until you have all that time written out so you can hand that to small claims and bring receipts from other areas that would do the same work and hand those estimates to the judge and if that guy does not show up, ask the judge to 'shop lean' that motherficker
WTF Sven, I just have gotten gotten able to understand Sven dialict and you go and throw some high flutin words well put together remarks up. Have you been drinking or maybe having drug reflash coming back from the old days?? :D

By the way very well said. :2thumbs:
 

Th3InfamousI

Administrator
Staff member
First get the bike back, if you have to pay what he is asking, then so be it. It doesn’t matter what you do in court it will take a long time. Then it won’t matter how it turns out (even if you don’t have to pay for the extras that were done) he will charge you to store the bike for that long. If you think his labor rates were high, wait till you see his storage rates. Get the bike back so that you can enjoy it while your case winds it’s way through the court system.

If it goes to court he will just say that you did authorize it “over the phone”, and because there is no record, then it will be his word against yours. And since the burden of proof is on you, you will loose. Your lawyer will tell you this.

If you can get the bike back without paying for it, then do that. My dad once took his car back from a dealership that tried to charge him again after he brought it back for them to fix what they had already charged him for, but didn’t fix. They brought the car out front then told him he had to pay to get his key back. He told them to keep it he had another key in his pocket. They told him they would call the police, he said be sure to tell them where I live, its right there on the invoice. He got in his car and left. The police won’t touch it because it’s a “civil” matter (disagreement between two parties about money), not a crime. So in this case possession really is 9/10’s of the law. The dealership manager called my dad, my dad said to eat hay, and he would only talk to the owner. When the owner called my dad explained the situation to him and the owner said that he still owed the money, so my dad gave him his lawyers name and phone number and told him not to call back and to handle everything through the lawyer. He never heard anything about it again.
Haha you could take that route - Tell them Thanks for all the work you did! I just want to take it for a quick spin to make sure there isn't anything else you would like them to do. CYA later Alligator!
 

Dakota

Well-Known Member
Brock, There used to be a member on here who said he had a shop in Huntington CT. I believe Huntington and Shelton have the same zip code. By chance is your mechanics first name Vince?
 

Nukeranger

Nukeranger
Couldn't agree more.

No point in going to court over $1,000 thats just a waste of fucking time and more money man.

I would do what the other people did call up a shop ask them how much it would be and see if you can work a deal. Your more than welcome to pay the guy and tell him to his face that you got ass fucked, and tell him thanks I know where I will not take my bike next time. See if he comes down in price, at the end of the day these guys are in business to bring in business and satisfied and repeat customers are the best business around. Word of mouth is strong.

Do whatever you want its your life, but I wouldn't waste my time in court nor leave my bike with the shop so when you get it back you got dents and scratches. Cost you more than it's worth in the end.
:2thumbs: Well said. I would not let them get near my bike either. :2thumbs:
 

Brock

Member
How are you my friends! Wow, thanks so much for all the very valuable and experienced advice--you guys truly know your bikes, are very street smart as well as intelligent, and are also tough to boot--my kind of bikers! Well here's what happened. I called the owner of the shop (Laurel and Harley, Stratford, CT), and told him that I could not for the life of me figure out how the bill was 900 plus dollars. He assured me that he was not cheating me, and told me that he would better be able to explain things in person.

I drove there with my wife, and the first thing he did was to take us into the shop where he unveiled my bike by lifting a sheet off of it, and told me that he shined it up because it was dusty. He then told me to meet him out front where he would ride the bike to meet me. I immediately asked him if anything was broke on the bike, and he looked at me sarcastically and said "You still complaining about the Bill." I sternly replied YES. He then said "Look at the bike first; don't you admire the great work I did on your bike. I take tremendous pride in my work." I told him that I thought the bike looked great, but there was no way that it could cost me over $900.00. I wasn't impressed by his carnival like theatrics.

He then told me to come back inside with him so that he could explain the invoice to me. 3 hours for the 500 mile service, 2 hours for the front tire valve stem replacement(OUCH!), 2.5 hours for wrapping rear header pipe with heat wrap (OUCH!!!!!!), plus parts= $936.01 (Heart Attack!!!!!):lol: He then explained that he had to take great care, and thus more time to service my K9 without scratching or damaging it. He also said that it took a long time to secure the bike on the bike lift--he said that he had to use 2 layers of tape on the frame to keep it from getting damaged on the lift (perhaps he should buy a better cushioned lift to cut down on customer invoice shock?):bang: He then told me that "I didn't appreciate the pride he put in his work."

Now it was my turn. I told him that I not only consulted my Big Dog brothers on the internet; but also spoke to two local motorcycle mechanics, and could find nobody who thought that his invoice was even close to accurate or reasonable. He then implied that he was the best mechanic around and told me that "it's easy to talk when you didn't actually do the job yourself". He then told me that "nothing was going to change". He next tried to appeal to what he though would be my sympathetic wife, by asking her if she agreed with him, to which she responded with a screaming NOOOO! that caused both him and I to literally jump from surprise :lol:

Upset, I responded that although he did a good job on my bike, I thought that he spent way more time than necessary to wrap the header pipe, and to replace the front tire valve stem, even working extremely carefully, and that there was no way he was going to convince me otherwise. I handed him the key to the bike and told him that I had it with him. I then asked him if he was going to put a mechanic's lean on the bike. He then asked me how I planned to settle this. I responded that I was going to bring an expert mechanic to court with me in addition to an attorney that would cost me nothing since I come from a family of attorneys (My father was a judge, and I used to work for him as a paralegal for several years when he worked as an attorney--thus the "great in court" mention; No need to apologize Nukeranger, I was too upset and frustrated to mention all this in my previous post, and could see why you might have thought that I enjoyed litigation--YUCK:argue:)

I then told him that I'd like to see him justify his bill to a judge after my expert witness' testimony, and after my presentation of several estimates to the court that would be significantly lower than his. He responded, "How can we settle this; Would $600.00 end this?" I turned to my wife and whispered to her that it would cost me well more than $100.00 to hire an expert and enter the case in court; and to make a motion to possibly move the case to a higher court to make the trial much more expensive and difficult for him. I figured that his 3 hours of labor (at $95.00 an hour) wasn't bad for the 500 mile service; and the parts total was on target. I was also willing to give him an hour for removing the front tire, and about an hour for a "very careful' job of removing the mufflers to wrap the rear header. Thus, I pulled the trigger for $600.00.

I paid him in cash, he handed the key back to me, and even though I knew I was right, I am a man of honor and respect, and therefore I don't like to gloat or act like an arrogant asshole when I win something. That's why I didn't laugh at him when he told me to never come back--AS IF I WANT TO GET RIPPED OFF AGAIN!!:angry: I told him that it was nothing personal, and that I would only respond with what I believed was the truth if any body asked me about his business, or if I discussed the matter online. He did indeed do an outstanding job on my bike, and I do feel that he is an excellent and prideful mechanic. But I'm not Donald Trump you know!!:)

He ended by telling me that I would never find another mechanic as good as him, and how people beg him to take them back after making the mistake of leaving him. He also added that the other mechanics that I take my bike to would ruin it on me--WOWWWWWWW, arrogance abounds. However, I have faith that Connecticut is harboring at least a few honest, reputable, and skillful motorcycle mechanics--anybody know of any:confused: He also had the audacity to tell me that if I wasn't willing to pay for top quality service, then I shouldn't own such a high level bike.:angry: Well I don't know about you guys, but I know many people who own high end bikes and cars who are regular people, and are not wealthy by any means. I know for a fact that there are excellent mechanics out there that don't see dollar signs when a high end vehicle pulls up--honesty and integrity are what build reputations, and what keeps customers coming back.

I wish I had the mechanical skill, patience, steady hands, and the time, that many of you guys have, as I would love to work on my beautiful K9 myself. The bike rides incredible now, and I really enjoyed cruising to the beach with it. I know that some of you think that I messed up by not getting everything in writing ahead of time--well I am guilty of trying to have faith in people sometimes; but ultimately, we are all responsible for our own actions, and all we can ever truly hope for in the end is for the truth itself to eventually come out to help to solve some of our problems preferably short of litigation. Indeed, I believe that the owner of Laurel and Harley's acknowledgement of the truth enabled me to solve my problem in the end. Once again my sincerest thanks and gratitude to all of the great people on this outstanding forum for reaching out to me and helping me so much. I hope to return the favor many times in the future. I am happy with the way things turned out, and will try to be more careful next time--Brock:cheers:
 

Sven

Well-Known Member
... to which she responded with a screaming NOOOO! that caused both him and I to literally jump from surprise :lol:
That's why I didn't laugh at him when he told me to never come back--AS IF I WANT TO GET RIPPED OFF AGAIN!!:angry:
I feel sorry for some of you guys/gals and that bike looking like you own some bucks. He was foaming at the mouth for sure, so I'll, "Try and get away with it,' for $900, Alex.

"I cleaned your bike for $900, or shit for $600 I better make sure it's clean; look at how I can polish the bike for 4 hours... How dare you insult my rag like that... Do something with that wife of yours, like leave her home next time.'
 

Marky-Marc

Well-Known Member
I feel sorry for some of you guys/gals and that bike looking like you own some bucks. He was foaming at the mouth for sure, so I'll, "Try and get away with it,' for $900, Alex.

"I cleaned your bike for $900, or shit for $600 I better make sure it's clean; look at how I can polish the bike for 4 hours... How dare you insult my rag like that... Do something with that wife of yours, like leave her home next time.'
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
VERY well said Sven. HE dropped his price because he KNEW he was over charging you, and like Sven said, he THOUGHT you were a SUCKA.....2 hours for a VALVE STEM???? Screw it out, catch it in your hand, screw new one in....2 HOURS?????
 
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Nukeranger

Nukeranger
:2thumbs: Hopefully, you will be able to simply ride and perform regular maintenance. I have found that like anything else, once you find and fix a vehicle's issues, you get to enjoy your ride for a long time. I have a Triumph Bonneville America that gave me trouble it's first year. Once it was corrected way back in 2002, it now sits in the garage bullet proof and ready to go at all times. I should probably change the oil since it has been almost 3 years at the 30,000 mile mark! Yikes. All I need is the oil because it has a K&P chrome filter I bought from Mad Dog.
 

harley74

Active Member
425 plus 175 to detail. Glad I found this site. Since I bought my harbor freight lift. I have paid out 0 dollars in labor. Thanks for all the help.
 

Brock

Member
Great thread guys!!! Thanks again for all your knowledge and support. One more thing though. The world's "best" (and highly overpriced) mechanic also told me that he couldn't download the Ignition Module (AWS) (part of the 500 mile service) because he wasn't a "computer guy". In this high tech day and age, I would think that the "best" mechanics would need to know something about computers. Well anyway, how is this going to effect the performance of my 2007 Big Dog K9??? Do you think I will be able to find a mechanic who can download the Ignition Module (AWS), and even more important (HA! HA! HA!) how much should this cost me (I guess I learned my lesson:lol:). I know this is tied in to the Big Dog EHC, which I heard is quite prone to all kinds of failure/problems. Keeping in mind that my K9 only has 500 miles on it, should I be in a hurry to replace my EHC with a better system (I know that more than one company has already offered more reliable EHS systems for our Big Dogs). IF and when I need to replace my EHC, can you please recommend the best one to buy. Thanks again for all your technological expertise. You guys are the best--Bob:cheers:
 

Marky-Marc

Well-Known Member
Bob, some EHC last and last...you just never know......Find one that is recommended, buy it, put it on the shelf for when and IF your EHC goes out!

:cheers:
 
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