06 Mastiff, $35,000 pile of junk.

[sh8kr]

"everytime someone comes onto this forum with issues and states them.... its as though you have 5 lawyers jumping down his or her throats with the technicality that what you are saying is technically void 'CAUSE YOU DIDNT POST AN INTRO" automatically this means he has no right to tell his story....."
Jimmizee is spot on with this statement, I have yet to figure out what the intro is the Single most important part of this forum. Do you tell your whole story to someone that you meet at Rally or bike night? I bet the answer is no, so if you help someone they would be most likely to join the forum and share thier experiences and knowledge. I say welcome the seekers and they will return, I am on several forums and none of them ever requested an Intro. Now if we are as helpful as we say we are, someone in Prodivers Area that is mechanicly inclined could offer some help or guidence. As far as all the other BS about Big Dog being Reliable, a hot rod and custom, well that is in the eyes of the owner. Custom is not mass produced it is Created.

 

[Vegas]

There are two ways to look at it and it's pretty apparent we have both represented. Sure, big dog could've done a better job. There are some things you need to keep in mind here. 1. These bikes aren't that expensive vs. what you get. I've spent the last 3 years building a custom car with top quality parts. It's not cheap even if it's off the shelf and is SUPPOSED to bolt on and function. You throw marketing, overhead, and r&d in there and margins look bleak. 2. The quality is there. Compare the frame, tank, tins, controls, wheels, etc to a harley davidson. The wiring is the biggest short coming and can be addressed for $500 with a wire plus. Big dog wanted to keep a tab on there customers. I can't blame them.
3. It is a hot rod. These motors with pipes make over 1 hp per cubic inch. They have fat tires to help lay the power down. They are solid mounted to the frame. Why do you think harley davidson uses puny motors, counterbalanced motors, and rubber engine mounts. RELIABILITY They general public needs some room for error. There is an old saying about Honda. They test there products at 100% and back them off to 90% for the public. This is one area I feel big dog shot themself in the foot on. They very easily could've put a 100 smooth in there bikes like Big Bear.
4. Experience with high powered toys tells me it would be nearly impossible to make these things as reliable as a harley davidson, honda, etc.. The only way you can achieve that is with less power and less vibration. PERIOD
5. They are custom bikes. You can pick your frame color and paint custom from the factory.

We can all agree that big dog could've done a better job in some areas. I just don't think they spent the money on R&D that larger manufacturers enjoyed. The margins simply weren't there. They did better than any other custom manufacturer. It's been proven in rankings and I've seen it first hand myself.

 

[sh8kr]

Vegas,as i was typing, you were the person who came to mind when I put Custom in there, you have created a true custom Camaro. In my opinion Paint and wheels do not define custom, maybe we should say personalized.
Anyway still envious of your beautiful car and everything done to it.

 

[Vegas]

Appreciate that Shaker and definitely see your point.

 

[bigdogtech01]

It looks to me that the dealership.....
A- has no idea how to rebuild a motor
B- is just plain screwing you over
C- is going to F that motor all up
D- Just does not want to deal with it

...so they are charging you about $6000 more than they should. I would get a hold of S&S and send the motor to them. That is your best bet if the insurance company is paying. Who do you have for your insurance? Is it an extended warranty or an actual part to your insurance policy? I use GEICO, don't think they would cover any of that.

Also, most likely this guy was running the piss out of the bike. Holding it wide open for a sustained period of time caused the valve guide to fail. I would like to see his ignition reading as well. Maybe he is not happy with the bike so he is looking for something for free?

 

[jimizee028]

and the kool aid continues to flow.......................................

 

[Raywood]

Most of use here are pretty savvy about our bikes and with V-Twin motors.

The poster states that he has had some problems with his motor and then goes on to say it will cost him $10,000 to fix it.
The poster then goes on to state that he has 50 yrs experience with Panheads, Shovelheads and Evo motors yet he is excepting that his shop wants to charge his $10,000 to rebuild his motor.

I'm no expert in V-Twins but I've had many years experience with them as well and I can tell you that you can buy a new 117cu in motor for $7000! :loony:

A good shop can rebuild that motor for about $2000 or so.

So until the poster reveals the complete story behind why he has had these motor problems then the members here are going to question why!!!!

I would like to hear why the motor broke at this mileage rather than listen to why BDM will not cover it or his extended insurance company. For one......... It doesn't matter if it's Chevrolet, Ford, HD or any number of manufacturers but you aren't going to get any warranty coverage when the warranty expires. BDM is no different and why should they?

Now, if we could get some more info on what caused this motor to fail then we could properly evaluate what the cause was and who is to blame. The S&S motors are pretty rock solid motors as many here have many miles on them. There are a few exceptions..... the TP rocker boxes (doesn't apply here). Maybe it was low oil pressure, maybe wrong plug or a number of issues.

So, until we get some more info rather than the poster just posting the same fact as he know them than we can do nothing than entertain his posts. I would like to hear how it was run. Who serviced it. Like to see the ignition download and hear some more info to properly ascertain what the issue really was.

 

[BBChopper]

When do we get to see this piece of crap?

 

[fmschatz]

Ray, you are right on !!!

 

[rocket123]

These aren't hondas. They are CUSTOM bikes. When you sign on the dotted line you inherit all the problems that incurs. Old technology, solid motor mounts, custom paint, etc I know it's not what you want to hear but it's the truth. Honda=no problems, no power, no looks, no pride..... Big Dog=problems, power, looks, american pride. who the hell would make a statement like this^^^^ vegas, they definitly not "CUSTOM" as you stated above..i guess before you sign on the dotted line bdm should add in there with there 35k price tag that as soon as you drive away its gonna fall apart,but they dont cause then they wouldnt sell them...not for nothing they are junk, and thats my opinion,if you dont like it, dont read it, thats why this forum is here so the guy can vent and tell his problem, right away everyone wants to attack him, jeez.. listen if you have a problem with your bigdog dont whine and cry cause you will only be called out on it....some of you guys must either work for bdm or blow them which is it? ok i know i know i vented so attack me now...anyway, goodluck with your pal hope it works out for ya, i would definitly check another dealer on the price thou..

 

[Raywood]

Come on Delly2, you have to do a better job at quoting a post!!!

These aren't hondas. They are CUSTOM bikes. When you sign on the dotted line you inherit all the problems that incurs. Old technology, solid motor mounts, custom paint, etc I know it's not what you want to hear but it's the truth. Honda=no problems, no power, no looks, no pride..... Big Dog=problems, power, looks, american pride. who the hell would make a statement like this^^^^ vegas, they definitly not "CUSTOM" as you stated above..i guess before you sign on the dotted line bdm should add in there with there 35k price tag that as soon as you drive away its gonna fall apart,but they dont cause then they wouldnt sell them...not for nothing they are junk, and thats my opinion,if you dont like it, dont read it, thats why this forum is here so the guy can vent and tell his problem, right away everyone wants to attack him, jeez.. listen if you have a problem with your bigdog dont whine and cry cause you will only be called out on it....some of you guys must either work for bdm or blow them which is it? ok i know i know i vented so attack me now...anyway, goodluck with your pal hope it works out for ya, i would definitly check another dealer on the price thou..

 

[brandedcalf]

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[KnotSo]

Delly2, :bang:

 

[Vegas]

Ok .I'll attack you first.:lol:

Being a Honda fan , I just cant keep my trap shut when someone says:

Honda=no problems (Which I do agree with), no power (you have GOT to be kidding), no looks (street bikes mmmmm..? sportbikes are SWEET), no pride.... C'mon do I have to give specifics? You'd be a speck in the mirror.

:roll: I was talking about the Fury. My 450Trx rips!

 

[MARV]

shit breaks. if its out of warranty then fix it.

 

[RRRUFF]

Well said Vegas and Raywood. The guy should have bought a Honda. These bikes are hotrods, customs, and are high maintenance realitive to the cookie cutter bikes out there. However they are a blast to ride and I enjoy working on the thing whether servicing it or customizing it. To bad this guy didn't come to the site sooner. Maybe he could have learned about the TP rockers & boxes. I will bet he had badly worn valve guides and ended up breaking a valve stem and destroyed his motor. Hopefully he will go back all S&S or sounds like it would be cheaper to just replace the motor. 10k sounds like alot to me also.

 

[LDO]

Before i go here i know i probally shouldnt,but i never have followed my instincts ,i allways have went with my compulsion.......everytime someone comes onto this forum with issues and states them.... its as though you have 5 lawyers jumping down his or her throats with the technicality that what you are saying is technically void 'CAUSE YOU DIDNT POST AN INTRO" automatically this means he has no right to tell his story.....This guy has a legitimate gripe ,and to me its obvious he has found this forum outta despair and trying to find some sorta solution or help for the problems he is having... i would freakin be pissed also,and lookin somewhere ,anywhere for help.I love my bike,and i will be forthcoming into saying that when i bought my bike for $30,000 i wasnt under the impression that this means its only gonna run MOST the time.....maybe some of you gott it like that,maybe some can afford these bike as just another addition to your garage full of toys,but i know i aint got it like that and when i dropped the money i kinda thought if what i got out of my $20,000 HARLEY DAVIDSON i would be getting just that much more from the BIG DOG for $30,000..... my biggest point i would like to make is like i said i love my bike,i love riding it,i love the looks of it....but i am not happy with the dependability factor of it...you can tell me what you want of how its a hot rod of motorcycles,and this can be expected,or you shouldve done your homework or whatever other technicality you would like to throw into the mix....looks and ride will get these bikes a 10 on the scale,,,at first i caught myself drinkin the kool-aid,until the issues affected my being able to go into the garage and attempting to start my bike on a regular basis..so dont come on this forum and pretend that this IS the maserati of all custom bikes,and that everyone and anyone that has an issue or problems is a dick or technically void cause of some tecnicality.....BOTTOM LINE IS THEY COULDVE DONE A BETTER JOB(BIG DOG) THEY DIDNT AND THIS IS ME SPITTIN THE KOOL AID OUT.......

Jimizee,
you bring up some pretty valid points and I'm in no way wanting to get into a pissing contest with you or any other forum member as I respect all here and their opinions.

However, here's the thing on the intro as seen thru the eyes of a mod, at least this one.

We have several people (perhaps previously banned) that come on here with the sole intent on creating hate and problems between the membership....shit stir'rs if you will.

Us mods are able to know more about new member 'x' by the intro post to determine if he's a previous troublemaker.

Sure, anyone could make up shit and post it as their intro to 'throw us off' and my opinion is that anyone willling to go thru that much trouble to get (back) on a forum is probably more 'touched' than we previously thought....:lol:

But it's a way to identify with the new member. You wouldn't walk into a room and start babbling to a bunch of people without an introduction.

Additionally,
ALL FORUMS worth a crap usually have a 'new member intro section' where they want you to post a intro FIRST before you go posting in the main areas. We're no different here.

And lastly,
It is one of our rules to post an intro first so the membership can 'virtually' meet the new member. This is how we've always done it. To my knowledge, we've never refused to help or recommend anything to a new member who didn't post an intro, but we do remind them that they'll get more cooperation once they've followed the forum rules and posted an intro. Just another way to let people know that we have rules here on THIS forum and that we (mods & membership) 'pay attention' to their adherence.

Ray is correct, we need alot more information than what has been provided to see what the real deal is.

Marv, as always, you 'speak' volumes with only a few words.


Semper Fi!
LDO

 

[dammit]

"everytime someone comes onto this forum with issues and states them.... its as though you have 5 lawyers jumping down his or her throats with the technicality that what you are saying is technically void 'CAUSE YOU DIDNT POST AN INTRO" automatically this means he has no right to tell his story....."
Jimmizee is spot on with this statement, I have yet to figure out what the intro is the Single most important part of this forum. Do you tell your whole story to someone that you meet at Rally or bike night? I bet the answer is no, so if you help someone they would be most likely to join the forum and share thier experiences and knowledge. I say welcome the seekers and they will return, I am on several forums and none of them ever requested an Intro. Now if we are as helpful as we say we are, someone in Prodivers Area that is mechanicly inclined could offer some help or guidence. As far as all the other BS about Big Dog being Reliable, a hot rod and custom, well that is in the eyes of the owner. Custom is not mass produced it is Created.

Totally agree. Some on here can't wait to trash anyone who hasn't done an intro or has a problem with their bike. I bought mine used with 6200 miles on it thinking any other bike or auto I've ever been around, this is still nearly new. I've been stranded twice in 300 miles on the damn thing. Been 28k on an 03 HD and never once been stranded. That being said I have found the occasional problem (starter issue) and fixed it. Still very proud of the looks and performance with the bike. Also very grateful with the group on this forum. If I had taken this starter problem to a local bike shop they'd have replaced the starter and probably have costed me around $700 or more. I fixed it for under $100 myself with a little help from some very helpful folks on this very forum. Great forum, could be a little better without the bite your butt attitudes.

 

[LDO]

Great forum, could be a little better without the bite your butt attitudes.

Usually gets worse during the winters around here!

 

[Vegas]

It's an eye for an eye type a deal. If a member comes on with a decent attitude and asks for help, everyone bends over backwards. If the first line of the thread is this bike is a piece of shit......well. Some of us take that a little personal since we kind of like our bikes. :up: