Clutch lever adjustment

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metgotdog

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Need some help from you Big Dog Technical Guru's. It takes a bit of effort to pull the clutch to shift. Definitely way more than my previous HD Fat Boy.
Measured the force need to engage at 50 lbs. (used a luggage weigh gauge:rolleyes:). Is this amount of force normal for a Big Dog??? IF not what do I need to do to adjust?
 

Mickmorris

Well Known Member
Supporting Member
Well I am definitely not a guru and I haven’t checked the tension on my clutch lever with a luggage scale but I would have to say it would probably be real close to that.
 

heybaylor

Active Member
If clutch has good release, and does not slip, then it is adjusted correctly.
the problem lies with the cable.
too tight of bends, needs cleaned/lubed,or just plain worn out.
Hope this helps
 

mjsk9

Well-Known Member
Need some help from you Big Dog Technical Guru's. It takes a bit of effort to pull the clutch to shift. Definitely way more than my previous HD Fat Boy.
Measured the force need to engage at 50 lbs. (used a luggage weigh gauge:rolleyes:). Is this amount of force normal for a Big Dog??? IF not what do I need to do to adjust?
Agree that the amount of force required to pull in the clutch lever is considerably more than any bike I have ever ridden and what you are experiencing is normal for Big Dog. Big Dog made a product (Easy Pull I believe) to reduce the amount of force needed by I believe 25%? In addition, Barnes Performance has also manufactured easy pull ball and ramp mechanisms to address this issue. Lubing the cable will help but very minutely and based on these other products, I personally do not think it is a cable issue as previously stated.
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kickstart

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I'd say your clutch need some serious adjusting. You made just get my archery scale and check mine. I attached the hook at the last finger groove and got a reading of 16 lbs 3 times.
My K9 has the easy pull and the Barnett Teflon lined cable, and the same with my Bulldog.
 

Mikeinjersey

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I'd say your clutch need some serious adjusting. You made just get my archery scale and check mine. I attached the hook at the last finger groove and got a reading of 16 lbs 3 times.
My K9 has the easy pull and the Barnett Teflon lined cable, and the same with my Bulldog.
Hi Kickstart, Do you have a 9 or 12 plate clutch pack? I'm curious because it seems the easy pull is for 9 plate only but I haven't read why it won't work with the the 12 plate. I'm assuming the throw on the push rod is different and won't be enough for the 12plate to operate correctly. Can you shine any light on this? Thanks
 

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heybaylor

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Well,I too was curious and checked my four street bikes.
107 bigdog 20years old was about 18-19 pounds to start the pull less than 10 to hold at friction point.
2015 HD softail slim was 18 to start and 8-9 to hold
2003 Fatboy ,about the same
1991 sportster was 15-16 to start and 7-8 to hold
These readings were taken with fish scale at the end of lever at the ball.
all stock clutches
agree,or disagree , thats why we have chocolate and vanilla ice cream :cool:
 

metgotdog

New Member
Agree that the amount of force required to pull in the clutch lever is considerably more than any bike I have ever ridden and what you are experiencing is normal for Big Dog. Big Dog made a product (Easy Pull I believe) to reduce the amount of force needed by I believe 25%? In addition, Barnes Performance has also manufactured easy pull ball and ramp mechanisms to address this issue. Lubing the cable will help but very minutely and based on these other products, I personally do not think it is a cable issue as previously stated.
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Just checked BPC website and the Easy Pulls are out of stock....Checking if they have a production run scheduled anytime soon.
Says it can reduce up to 45% of clutch pull.
 

Mastiff Rider64

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Just letting ya'll know I'm installing an EZ pull next week on my 06 Mastiff. Not sure which clutch package I have because I had the baker open belt drive installed a few years back. Hopefully this install won't mess anything up but I will say that my clutch is hard as crap tp pull in and even harder to keep held in because my hand wears out trying to. Any ways I know at one point WSW had the EZ pulls one said for 9 disc one said for 12 disk then he or baker had one that I guess was universal because it said it would work with either 9 or 12 disk. But I'll try and keep you posted on the install and if I run into problems after words. If I can remember to take pictures maybe I can write up a step by step how to guide?
 

mjsk9

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Just checked BPC website and the Easy Pulls are out of stock....Checking if they have a production run scheduled anytime soon.
Says it can reduce up to 45% of clutch pull.
As a side note and temporary "fix" I used one of these for the 13 years I had my K9. In February of each year I would start using this a few times a day while I was on the phone, watching TV or whatever and for me it really made a difference when riding season rolled around... inexpensive and strengthened my hands to where the feeling of the degree of "pull" was negated. I liked this style of hand strengthener vs the "V" shaped device with the springs is that you can work each finger independently. Will help until you locate an Easy Pull or production on the Easy Pulls begins....

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Th3InfamousI

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Just letting ya'll know I'm installing an EZ pull next week on my 06 Mastiff. Not sure which clutch package I have because I had the baker open belt drive installed a few years back. Hopefully this install won't mess anything up but I will say that my clutch is hard as crap tp pull in and even harder to keep held in because my hand wears out trying to. Any ways I know at one point WSW had the EZ pulls one said for 9 disc one said for 12 disk then he or baker had one that I guess was universal because it said it would work with either 9 or 12 disk. But I'll try and keep you posted on the install and if I run into problems after words. If I can remember to take pictures maybe I can write up a step by step how to guide?
Stack height is the same 9 or 12. So the ball and ramp easy pull or not will work with either setup. Regardless of how many plates you have the distance the clutch push rod needs to move to separate the plates would need to be the same. Only difference is ramps on the ez pull are longer so it's more gradual and easier to pull.

9 plate system last longer due to clutch steels wearing prematurely.

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Sven

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Always approach lacing a cable with a C-curve. An S-curve is going to add pound pull to the lever.

Where it might not have been lubed in a long time: Loosen cable and remove the lever to lube the bolt pivot, and cable end ball points with bearing grease/copper anti-seize.

With a sandwich bag, cut the corner of the bag just enough to fit over the cable end. Take a rubber band and close the cut tip around the cable so it's leak-proof. Place the end of the cable so it is held as vertical as possible for flow. Pour just a touch of tranny oil in the bag so it begins to flow down the inner cable. It won't take much so less to clean up out of the bag. Pack a paper towel down the bag to absorb what is left.

I'm just suggesting this; if you do see the the cable is routed C enough, has to be the cable, right? As mentioned, for arg sake, 18 pound pull is every clutch setup on these bikes right? You have the same parts and can pull 50 pounds? You'd have to remove the cable, let the inner cable drop effortlessly, then there is no fray binding things up internally. But say the lever and cable were never lubed all this time... as a variable. It costs nothing to remove the lever bolt and lube both. Once lubed, pull to see it is not the cable or is the cable. And this is the quick and dirty, do one thing at a time; without pulling the whole cable off to watch the inner cable drop.. Because, that's your next move.

I am not convinced it takes 50 pounds of pull with, I don't care who's stock springs used. Racing springs are another story.
 

Th3InfamousI

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Staff member
I'd say your clutch need some serious adjusting. You made just get my archery scale and check mine. I attached the hook at the last finger groove and got a reading of 16 lbs 3 times.
My K9 has the easy pull and the Barnett Teflon lined cable, and the same with my Bulldog.
With that math stock pull would only be around 20-22lbs. With a 35-40% reduction with EZ Pull going to your 16 lbs.

I think most people need to do what Sven said...lube the cable or get a new one...The Teflon lined ones Barnett, if the teflon gets ripped up doesn't matter what lube you use it's still going to be hard to pull. Lube the cable and redo the adjustment or try a new cable first.
 

heybaylor

Active Member
Always approach lacing a cable with a C-curve. An S-curve is going to add pound pull to the lever.

Where it might not have been lubed in a long time: Loosen cable and remove the lever to lube the bolt pivot, and cable end ball points with bearing grease/copper anti-seize.

With a sandwich bag, cut the corner of the bag just enough to fit over the cable end. Take a rubber band and close the cut tip around the cable so it's leak-proof. Place the end of the cable so it is held as vertical as possible for flow. Pour just a touch of tranny oil in the bag so it begins to flow down the inner cable. It won't take much so less to clean up out of the bag. Pack a paper towel down the bag to absorb what is left.

I'm just suggesting this; if you do see the the cable is routed C enough, has to be the cable, right? As mentioned, for arg sake, 18 pound pull is every clutch setup on these bikes right? You have the same parts and can pull 50 pounds? You'd have to remove the cable, let the inner cable drop effortlessly, then there is no fray binding things up internally. But say the lever and cable were never lubed all this time... as a variable. It costs nothing to remove the lever bolt and lube both. Once lubed, pull to see it is not the cable or is the cable. And this is the quick and dirty, do one thing at a time; without pulling the whole cable off to watch the inner cable drop.. Because, that's your next move.

I am not convinced it takes 50 pounds of pull with, I don't care who's stock springs used. Racing springs are another story.

WELL, this is the difference between a mechanic and a "parts changer "
nuff said
 

mjsk9

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Just checked BPC website and the Easy Pulls are out of stock....Checking if they have a production run scheduled anytime soon.
Says it can reduce up to 45% of clutch pull.
Timing might be the right timing for you to express interest if you haven't already. This was posted 21 hours ago and he (Andrew) is trying to get a count so he could start production.....

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Mastiff Rider64

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Timing might be the right timing for you to express interest if you haven't already. This was posted 21 hours ago and he (Andrew) is trying to get a count so he could start production.....

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Funny when I called, messaged him on fb and sent an email about these I never heard back from him. Now if we don't buy 10 of them within 2 weeks he's going to remove them from his website and possibly never make them again? Does he not realize that there's a pandemic and a lot of us are either laid off or on reduced hours not to mention that we all don't get paid on the same Fridays if bi-weekly and some of our bills don't line up with his time line? What harm is it to make 10 to keep in stock and sell them as ppl can buy them? As he said ppl have shown interest. I'm sure in time he would sell them, maybe not his demanded time line but maybe over a year. Glad I got mine from another place now, I'm not dealing with someone who ransoms' parts for my dog, I don't deal with domestic terrorist... LOL
 

mjsk9

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Funny when I called, messaged him on fb and sent an email about these I never heard back from him. Now if we don't buy 10 of them within 2 weeks he's going to remove them from his website and possibly never make them again? Does he not realize that there's a pandemic and a lot of us are either laid off or on reduced hours not to mention that we all don't get paid on the same Fridays if bi-weekly and some of our bills don't line up with his time line? What harm is it to make 10 to keep in stock and sell them as ppl can buy them? As he said ppl have shown interest. I'm sure in time he would sell them, maybe not his demanded time line but maybe over a year. Glad I got mine from another place now, I'm not dealing with someone who ransoms' parts for my dog, I don't deal with domestic terrorist... LOL
Terry I know the majority of your questions are strictly rhetorical in nature and would best be addressed by Andrew; however, I assume this same pandemic has negatively influenced small business owners as well and they need to make decisions that are best for their business. I posted this since there was interest expressed and thought it might help someone. I have no ties or affiliation to this business. Lastly, perhaps you can share the "other place" where you got yours? That would probably help others?
 

Mastiff Rider64

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Terry I know the majority of your questions are strictly rhetorical in nature and would best be addressed by Andrew; however, I assume this same pandemic has negatively influenced small business owners as well and they need to make decisions that are best for their business. I posted this since there was interest expressed and thought it might help someone. I have no ties or affiliation to this business. Lastly, perhaps you can share the "other place" where you got yours? That would probably help others?
I bought mine from an individual person. He knew i needed one from a chat we had and sold me a spare he had. FB has several different big dog groups, not knocking this group but there are ppl that are on FB not on here. I recently found a bulldog bagger mustang seat with driver backrest, and remembered a member on here needed one so I bought it. Then offered him mine at the loss of what i paid for it. Cost me 55 dollars to ship to him which i didnt charge him. But thats ok cause I helped him out and thats what we do for our fellow BD owners. And I do understand small buisnesses are hit hard by the pandemic I speak of, and I understand that an owner of a buisness has to make choices. But as Andrew said he knows ppl are interested and ppl want this part. But why threaten to take it completely off the market if ppl dont buy it by a certain date? Is it costing him any extra to offer it on his website? I understand he cant make them 1 at a time, and I understand that if he were to make 10 and put the ones that dont sell right away on a shelf then hes out the money up front. But I know if he were to have them in stock that ppl who want them would buy them. Maybe not in 2 weeks, maybe not 2 months, but eventually. And I've seen several post not only on here but FB too of ppl wanting them. And dont get me wrong I'm glad Barnes is making parts for our bikes still, but he needs to remember we as BD owners need him just as part of his buisness needs us.
 

metgotdog

New Member
Timing might be the right timing for you to express interest if you haven't already. This was posted 21 hours ago and he (Andrew) is trying to get a count so he could start production.....

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Andrew Barns of BPC emailed me the same however a day later said that he will start a production run for these. Ordered me a set... so you all might want to tag along on this run while he is at it. Just saying....
 

rpols7

Member
I have 4 NOS big dog ramp and ball in my possession. 9 plate EZ pull. 180 a set shipped to the lower 48. lowered price
and updated quantity.

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