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pknowles

RETIRED
This was sent to me by a friend today.
Interesting reading. Read and believe what you want.

vaccine news continues to be better than many people realize.





Infections aren’t what matters



The news about the vaccines continues to be excellent — and the public discussion of it continues to be more negative than the facts warrant.

Here’s the key fact: All five vaccines with public results have eliminated Covid-19 deaths. They have also drastically reduced hospitalizations. “They’re all good trial results,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “It’s great news.”


Good morning. The vaccine news continues to be better than many people realize.





Infections aren’t what matters



The news about the vaccines continues to be excellent — and the public discussion of it continues to be more negative than the facts warrant.

Here’s the key fact: All five vaccines with public results have eliminated Covid-19 deaths. They have also drastically reduced hospitalizations. “They’re all good trial results,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “It’s great news.”



Many people are instead focusing on relatively minor differences among the vaccine results and wrongly assuming that those differences mean that some vaccines won’t prevent serious illnesses. It’s still too early to be sure, because a few of the vaccine makers have released only a small amount of data. But the available data is very encouraging — including about the vaccines’ effect on the virus’s variants.

“The vaccines are poised to deliver what people so desperately want: an end, however protracted, to this pandemic,” as Julia Marcus of Harvard Medical School recently wrote in The Atlantic.



Why is the public understanding more negative than it should be? Much of the confusion revolves around the meaning of the word “effective.”

What do we care about?



In the official language of research science, a vaccine is typically considered effective only if it prevents people from coming down with any degree of illness. With a disease that’s always or usually horrible, like ebola or rabies, that definition is also the most meaningful one.

But it’s not the most meaningful definition for most coronavirus infections.



Whether you realize it or not, you have almost certainly had a coronavirus. Coronaviruses have been circulating for decades if not centuries, and they’re often mild. The common cold can be a coronavirus. The world isn’t going to eliminate coronaviruses — or this particular one, known as SARS-CoV-2 — anytime soon.

Yet we don’t need to eliminate it for life to return to normal. We instead need to downgrade it from a deadly pandemic to a normal virus. Once that happens, adults can go back to work, and children back to school. Grandparents can nuzzle their grandchildren, and you can meet your friends at a restaurant.



As Dr. Ashish Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told me this weekend: “I don’t actually care about infections. I care about hospitalizations and deaths and long-term complications.”

The data



By those measures, all five of the vaccines — from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax and Johnson & Johnson — look extremely good. Of the roughly 75,000 people who have received one of the five in a research trial, not a single person has died from Covid, and only a few people appear to have been hospitalized. None have remained hospitalized 28 days after receiving a shot.

To put that in perspective, it helps to think about what Covid has done so far to a representative group of 75,000 American adults: It has killed roughly 150 of them and sent several hundred more to the hospital. The vaccines reduce those numbers to zero and nearly zero, based on the research trials.



Zero isn’t even the most relevant benchmark. A typical U.S. flu season kills between five and 15 out of every 75,000 adults and hospitalizes more than 100 of them.

I assume you would agree that any vaccine that transforms Covid into something much milder than a typical flu deserves to be called effective. But that is not the scientific definition. When you read that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 66 percent effective or that the Novavax vaccine was 89 percent effective, those numbers are referring to the prevention of all illness. They count mild symptoms as a failure.



“In terms of the severe outcomes, which is what we really care about, the news is fantastic,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.

The variants



What about the highly contagious new virus variants that have emerged in Britain, Brazil and South Africa? The South African variant does appear to make the vaccines less effective at eliminating infections.

Fortunately, there is no evidence yet that it increases deaths among vaccinated people. Two of the five vaccines — from Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — have reported some results from South Africa, and none of the people there who received a vaccine died of Covid. “People are still not getting serious illness. They’re still not dying,” Dr. Rebecca Wurtz of the University of Minnesota School of Public Health told me.



The most likely reason, epidemiologists say, is that the vaccines still provide considerable protection against the variant, albeit not quite as much as against the original version. Some protection appears to be enough to turn this coronavirus into a fairly normal disease in the vast majority of cases.

“This variant is clearly making it a little tougher to get the most vigorous response that you would want to have,” Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, said. “But still, for severe disease, it’s looking really good.”





What would an expert do?



The biggest caveat is the possibility that future data will be less heartening. Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, for example, have issued press releases about their data, but no independent group has yet released an analysis. It will also be important to see much more data about how the vaccines interact with the variants.

But don’t confuse uncertainty with bad news. The available vaccine evidence is nearly as positive as it could conceivably be. And our overly negative interpretation of it is causing real problems.



Some people worry that schools cannot reopen even after teachers are vaccinated. Others are left with the mistaken impression that only the two vaccines with the highest official effectiveness rates — from Moderna and Pfizer — are worth getting.

In truth, so long as the data holds up, any of the five vaccines can save your life.



Last week, Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University told my colleague Denise Grady about a conversation he had with other experts. During it, they imagined that a close relative had to choose between getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine now or waiting three weeks to get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. “All of us said, ‘Get the one tomorrow,’” Schaffner said. “The virus is bad. You’re risking three more weeks of exposure as opposed to getting protection tomorrow.”
 

mjsk9

Well-Known Member
This was sent to me by a friend today.
Interesting reading. Read and believe what you want.

vaccine news continues to be better than many people realize.





Infections aren’t what matters



The news about the vaccines continues to be excellent — and the public discussion of it continues to be more negative than the facts warrant.

Here’s the key fact: All five vaccines with public results have eliminated Covid-19 deaths. They have also drastically reduced hospitalizations. “They’re all good trial results,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “It’s great news.”


Good morning. The vaccine news continues to be better than many people realize.





Infections aren’t what matters



The news about the vaccines continues to be excellent — and the public discussion of it continues to be more negative than the facts warrant.

Here’s the key fact: All five vaccines with public results have eliminated Covid-19 deaths. They have also drastically reduced hospitalizations. “They’re all good trial results,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “It’s great news.”



Many people are instead focusing on relatively minor differences among the vaccine results and wrongly assuming that those differences mean that some vaccines won’t prevent serious illnesses. It’s still too early to be sure, because a few of the vaccine makers have released only a small amount of data. But the available data is very encouraging — including about the vaccines’ effect on the virus’s variants.

“The vaccines are poised to deliver what people so desperately want: an end, however protracted, to this pandemic,” as Julia Marcus of Harvard Medical School recently wrote in The Atlantic.



Why is the public understanding more negative than it should be? Much of the confusion revolves around the meaning of the word “effective.”

What do we care about?



In the official language of research science, a vaccine is typically considered effective only if it prevents people from coming down with any degree of illness. With a disease that’s always or usually horrible, like ebola or rabies, that definition is also the most meaningful one.

But it’s not the most meaningful definition for most coronavirus infections.



Whether you realize it or not, you have almost certainly had a coronavirus. Coronaviruses have been circulating for decades if not centuries, and they’re often mild. The common cold can be a coronavirus. The world isn’t going to eliminate coronaviruses — or this particular one, known as SARS-CoV-2 — anytime soon.

Yet we don’t need to eliminate it for life to return to normal. We instead need to downgrade it from a deadly pandemic to a normal virus. Once that happens, adults can go back to work, and children back to school. Grandparents can nuzzle their grandchildren, and you can meet your friends at a restaurant.



As Dr. Ashish Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told me this weekend: “I don’t actually care about infections. I care about hospitalizations and deaths and long-term complications.”

The data



By those measures, all five of the vaccines — from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax and Johnson & Johnson — look extremely good. Of the roughly 75,000 people who have received one of the five in a research trial, not a single person has died from Covid, and only a few people appear to have been hospitalized. None have remained hospitalized 28 days after receiving a shot.

To put that in perspective, it helps to think about what Covid has done so far to a representative group of 75,000 American adults: It has killed roughly 150 of them and sent several hundred more to the hospital. The vaccines reduce those numbers to zero and nearly zero, based on the research trials.



Zero isn’t even the most relevant benchmark. A typical U.S. flu season kills between five and 15 out of every 75,000 adults and hospitalizes more than 100 of them.

I assume you would agree that any vaccine that transforms Covid into something much milder than a typical flu deserves to be called effective. But that is not the scientific definition. When you read that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 66 percent effective or that the Novavax vaccine was 89 percent effective, those numbers are referring to the prevention of all illness. They count mild symptoms as a failure.



“In terms of the severe outcomes, which is what we really care about, the news is fantastic,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.

The variants



What about the highly contagious new virus variants that have emerged in Britain, Brazil and South Africa? The South African variant does appear to make the vaccines less effective at eliminating infections.

Fortunately, there is no evidence yet that it increases deaths among vaccinated people. Two of the five vaccines — from Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — have reported some results from South Africa, and none of the people there who received a vaccine died of Covid. “People are still not getting serious illness. They’re still not dying,” Dr. Rebecca Wurtz of the University of Minnesota School of Public Health told me.



The most likely reason, epidemiologists say, is that the vaccines still provide considerable protection against the variant, albeit not quite as much as against the original version. Some protection appears to be enough to turn this coronavirus into a fairly normal disease in the vast majority of cases.

“This variant is clearly making it a little tougher to get the most vigorous response that you would want to have,” Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, said. “But still, for severe disease, it’s looking really good.”





What would an expert do?



The biggest caveat is the possibility that future data will be less heartening. Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, for example, have issued press releases about their data, but no independent group has yet released an analysis. It will also be important to see much more data about how the vaccines interact with the variants.

But don’t confuse uncertainty with bad news. The available vaccine evidence is nearly as positive as it could conceivably be. And our overly negative interpretation of it is causing real problems.



Some people worry that schools cannot reopen even after teachers are vaccinated. Others are left with the mistaken impression that only the two vaccines with the highest official effectiveness rates — from Moderna and Pfizer — are worth getting.

In truth, so long as the data holds up, any of the five vaccines can save your life.



Last week, Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University told my colleague Denise Grady about a conversation he had with other experts. During it, they imagined that a close relative had to choose between getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine now or waiting three weeks to get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. “All of us said, ‘Get the one tomorrow,’” Schaffner said. “The virus is bad. You’re risking three more weeks of exposure as opposed to getting protection tomorrow.”
Very interesting read PK! A lot of heavy hitting, credible institution Doctors referenced; i.e., Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Vanderbilt, etc. however, curious as to where and when this was published? Thanks!
 

pknowles

RETIRED

mjsk9

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1 B.M.F.

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My 2 cents:: I have cattle I worm them with ivomectrin it come in pour on and in injectable. It’s says right on bottle prevents corona virus. I have swallowed using pour on more than I get on cattle on windy days I have stabbed myself with the needle more than once. Rumor around the ranches is the farmers have put this in their oj and 3-4 have tested positive for corona virus and was sick for two days and back to normal. I personally have taken 2cc with my Dr Pepper and no symptoms. I’m no dr but just saying you can pick up ivomectrin at any feed store. Good for dogs cows and apparently people. Some people take 2cc and then 1 cc every week there after
 

mjsk9

Well-Known Member
My 2 cents:: I have cattle I worm them with ivomectrin it come in pour on and in injectable. It’s says right on bottle prevents corona virus. I have swallowed using pour on more than I get on cattle on windy days I have stabbed myself with the needle more than once. Rumor around the ranches is the farmers have put this in their oj and 3-4 have tested positive for corona virus and was sick for two days and back to normal. I personally have taken 2cc with my Dr Pepper and no symptoms. I’m no dr but just saying you can pick up ivomectrin at any feed store. Good for dogs cows and apparently people. Some people take 2cc and then 1 cc every week there after
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knothead

Second Chance Customs
My 2 cents:: I have cattle I worm them with ivomectrin it come in pour on and in injectable. It’s says right on bottle prevents corona virus. I have swallowed using pour on more than I get on cattle on windy days I have stabbed myself with the needle more than once. Rumor around the ranches is the farmers have put this in their oj and 3-4 have tested positive for corona virus and was sick for two days and back to normal. I personally have taken 2cc with my Dr Pepper and no symptoms. I’m no dr but just saying you can pick up ivomectrin at any feed store. Good for dogs cows and apparently people. Some people take 2cc and then 1 cc every week there after
Lol i have had my fare share in the past of ivomec....we sold out of the cow buiness... but yeah i know what you mean by getting it all over urself when vaccinating...

Grandmother give it to us when i was young if we got sick and usually be fine within 48 hours....she give it to us with ginger ale and then hand us a cracker lol...

I still use it on the dogs once a month to help with heartworms
 

Jersey Big Mike

100K mile club
My 2 cents:: I have cattle I worm them with ivomectrin it come in pour on and in injectable. It’s says right on bottle prevents corona virus. I have swallowed using pour on more than I get on cattle on windy days I have stabbed myself with the needle more than once. Rumor around the ranches is the farmers have put this in their oj and 3-4 have tested positive for corona virus and was sick for two days and back to normal. I personally have taken 2cc with my Dr Pepper and no symptoms. I’m no dr but just saying you can pick up ivomectrin at any feed store. Good for dogs cows and apparently people. Some people take 2cc and then 1 cc every week there after
Now I can't speak to the effectiveness of this, but you do realize corona virus is a generic term and refers to a family of viruses not specifically covid-19.
Not saying it won't beat it down.
 

mjsk9

Well-Known Member
Now I can't speak to the effectiveness of this, but you do realize corona virus is a generic term and refers to a family of viruses not specifically covid-19.
Not saying it won't beat it down.
Yep..... "in people coronaviruses cause one-third of common colds"........................................
 

1 B.M.F.

Well-Known Member
I’m just saying I’ve gotten it inmy system for the last 20 years and I can’t remember when the last time I’ve had influenza and just about every person in my work family has had corona except 1 guy who took ivomectrin back in may of last year. And two farmers got COVID and was only sick for a total of 72 hours. Maybe they were lucky, maybe I wash better I don’t know. I’m just glad my family and I haven’t had it.
 

mastiffdave

Well-Known Member
ivermecterin is a very old drug and has been used in third world countries for lots of years for malaria. Australia broke the news a year ago that it worked on corona but the media shut it down as fast as it was reported. The big pharma can’t make fortunes on a cheap readily available drug that has been proven safe for many years. Actually here , all the hosp and drs were giving ivermec these last 4 months with a pos COVID test as part of the drug cocktail And the results are phenomenal. across The ag sector that includes the us and Canada that I have kept up with is truly remarkable and hundreds of success stories are noted And documented. Theses are cases from patients in ICU to fresh cases just starting the symptoms and the personal results have been phenomenal.

There are not many farm stores left within a hundred miles of me but most now have the smaller bottles under lock and key and the various horse wormers with ivermectin are also almost impossible to find. It’s not a cheap thing to buy as a liter of pour on is about $300.00 and I buy them in cases of twelve to box..

I’m not saying to go do this but I have first hand results of very sick friends that mysteriously was well in two days of taking it.

There are countless links to drs who printed the results of invermec if you do a search for it.

i don’t know what they did with it but lots of people I know that live in town and don’t have livestock has asked for a few ccs of ivermectin these last 4 months, so I leave a small bottle in the fridge and have no knowledge of who borrows some or what they do with it.
 

mastiffdave

Well-Known Member
I should have also noted that there has been a vaccine for livestock that I’ve used for many years that fights against and developed immunity to corona. As mike said , corona is a family that doesn’t just mean COVID 19 , but I wonder if somehow those single dose vials that I’ve used and held syringes in my mouth while catching a newborn from a irate moma cow , didn’t give somewhat of a small protection from COVID 19.

Anyway , these are just my thoughts on this and in no way condoning or advising but it seems when you work by yourself there is to much time for thinking and philosophy sometimes.
 

liferider

Looking forward to retirement
My 2 cents:: I have cattle I worm them with ivomectrin it come in pour on and in injectable. It’s says right on bottle prevents corona virus. I have swallowed using pour on more than I get on cattle on windy days I have stabbed myself with the needle more than once. Rumor around the ranches is the farmers have put this in their oj and 3-4 have tested positive for corona virus and was sick for two days and back to normal. I personally have taken 2cc with my Dr Pepper and no symptoms. I’m no dr but just saying you can pick up ivomectrin at any feed store. Good for dogs cows and apparently people. Some people take 2cc and then 1 cc every week there after
I use equineivomec on my horses, 1cc per 500 lb
 

liferider

Looking forward to retirement
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I should have also noted that there has been a vaccine for livestock that I’ve used for many years that fights against and developed immunity to corona. As mike said , corona is a family that doesn’t just mean COVID 19 , but I wonder if somehow those single dose vials that I’ve used and held syringes in my mouth while catching a newborn from a irate moma cow , didn’t give somewhat of a small protection from COVID 19.

Anyway , these are just my thoughts on this and in no way condoning or advising but it seems when you work by yourself there is to much time for thinking and philosophy sometimes.
et Buffy pop you in the ass with 1/2 a cc
 

Sven

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Staples is giving us our second "Pass-No Go Card" to be laminated for free. More like your annual rabies shot or fishing license pinned on your make my vaccine great again hat; before you board the plane/boat/train you like a dog.

Here is an update that I know so far. Let me get this out of the way first... You seen my dog? It's big, can't miss it. So the sister says not to take Tylenol, aspirin, crap like that if you get covi-arm... it will mask the shot so just find a bullet and bit it.

They say if you do come down with CCP-19, you might not be that bad off you need a respirator and hospital stay having the shots.

Took the old lady to her checkup. Dr. praised all the companies for a 'brilliant' execution, which he said was years in development with this protein, not like a dead virus for the annual flu shot. I said which was better, he said choose. I said what about the frozen vial; he said it was a 6 hour window or toss the vial, where I assume it's in a liquid state of course, so you miss your appointment, there you go... junk.

I said, you giving her the shot? He says the gov has other plans and he was not happy it didn't go thru his or dr offices like you'd think. Shrugs his shoulders and says to call Rite-Aid and make an appointment on line with the local one in town. Go home, sign up, says to try again. 3rd day same steps, get a congrats and pick a date and time.

Within a day or two I get a call to come get the first round by my provider. So I took the crapshoot, because I figure with my lung problem, cough, every puff, I mean cough, the dust in the room, I have a mission to keep tormenting the motorcycling pubic, wit those dickheads on the net I come across.

I get a little lost looking for a dog, but I own a few cats... not really. One's a neighbor's cat that hangs out, the other a feral, and the one in the house is hers. Ever try dry food? Anyway, they give me a shot and then I follow someone to sit down with, and I started to think about something. Other than informing the nurse lady about instantly thinking about the dog, a few minutes more and said I'm about to go looking for my dog. Other than that I feel fine I told her. She said ok, sneak out then. Next day I had covi-arm, day after than nada.

Signed,
Herrrrre Fluffy!
 
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