Jims Lifters, Direct dealings?

SMCT

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Has anyone spoke with Jims Lifters in regards to their product and product requirements or capabilities? If so, what where you inquiring about and did your questions get answered? I have Jims roller lifters in my engine and I am having one hell of a time getting an answer to a simple question. It has been a month now with all kinds of broken promises and diversions. I would rank Jims lifters customer support "very poor".

An email was sent off to Jims lifters which had a simple question in it. It asked "looking for insight as to what amount of valve spring pressure (seat and rate per inch) that your hydraulic roller lifters are intended for"? In that email it made mention that I happen to have their Jims Lifters in my engine. It mentions that the engine is apart and I need to make sure that the current springs are correct for the Jims hydraulic roller lifters.
I receive no response from my email sent. Ok, maybe they never received it, maybe it went into an email of which no one reads, maybe they are just over loaded with work, maybe they really have little to no staff that is knowledgeable to answer this question. All of which would be assumptions on my behalf at this point. This was after 2.5 to 3 weeks with no response. Rather then speculate, let's call and see if they got my email, or better yet, maybe they can answer my question in that email. So, I called and expressed to the woman who answered the phone (Margot Sparks) that I have sent an email and I hadn't received a response. Margot Sparks immediately makes mention that "maybe the response is in your spam folder". I said, nope, not their, I checked through it prior to calling. She said "I don't know what to tell you". I said that's fine, no problem. She said "what's your question". I explained that I am looking for information on Jims Hydraulic Roller Lifter requirements, and would I be able to speak with someone who can help me. She said "I can". I said "ok" my question is "what is the seat and open pressure that these Jims lifters are intended for"? She said "well, what springs do you have". I said "that wasn't the question". I said "the question is "what is the seat and open pressures that Jims hydraulic roller lifters are intended for". She said "why don't you send me that original email and I will look into it and have someone get back to you". I said, "ok"....and off it went to Margot Sparks, along with two pictures of the hydraulic roller lifters. She responds back to my email that same day with the following, and it is her only response "those lifters are 10 years old". Now I am thinking to myself that with a response like that, and avoiding an answer to my question, Margot Sparks, as a representative of Jims Lifters, wants to do one thing, to put question in my mind and sell me new lifters rather than actually getting an answer to my question. Do the Jims Lifters have an expiration date like milk might have? A week and half goes by and no response to my inquiry (we are at a total of about a month at this point) even after Margot Sparks from Jims Lifters made promise to look into it. I figure let me call back and inquire about my inquiry, once more. Margot Sparks answers the phone once again, and I explain my situation over once again. She plays clueless and oblivious to any thing in the past, and says "I have no clue of what you're talking about and "what is your email so I can try to look it up". I ask her, "can I speak with someone please that can help me get my question answered, how about Jim himself? She responds "no" I said how about "an engineer, anyone in your place that can answer my question". She says, "I handed it off to the correct people". I said "Margot, we are going on almost a month now and I can't get a answer to a simple legitimate question". Margot Sparks of Jims lifters response was "well, you should know what the requirements should be because you bought them", and she hangs up the phone right in the middle of me explaining to her that "I didn't buy them, they where in my engine when I bought the motorcycle."

I deal with a lot of company's and my company is on direct with over 100 manufactures, direct and I deal day in and day out with all the people within these company's. From shipping to customer service to engineering to owners to accounts payable and receivables, and I have never experienced an individual so rude, inconsiderate and non willing to help a customer. I have been in business for 33 years. Whether Jims lifters product is good or not, they sure do have some very, very poor service and that representative for Jims Lifters, Margot Sparks has horrible communication skills. Just so you know, the phone number to Jims Lifters rings apparently at an area whereas it's been Margot Sparks who seems to always pick up the phone, and it is this individual who is a very, very poor representation on the company. She apparently handles all customer communications on the behalf of Jims Lifters, as far as I know. It has been apparent that she is the one answering the phone.

If I was to tag two words that represent Jims Lifters, it would be "rude and obnoxious". WTF!

Jim, if you happen to be out there and happen to be reading this, please give me a call. I would just assume you know nothing of my inquiry to your product and this poor on going experience with your company.
 
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SMCT

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I am interested in getting an answer first hand from Jims Lifters on their product requirements. Hydraulic roller Lifters are, and have a lot of thought and engineering that goes behind them, as I deal in these day in and day out, and the way they are designed differs from manufacture to manufacture, and so does their requirements. Just oil viscosity alone has a great impact on a hydraulic lifters performance. Suggested spring seat and open pressures should be stated on that manufactures (Jims Lifters) web site, or at least have their people educated in answering a simple question as such.
 

Th3InfamousI

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Well I will say customer service is always different when you are a business and have a representative at the company trying to sell you more products for a commission. Generally the sales and in your case the engineers should be in direct contact.

Miss Sparks obviously isn't getting any commission..and doesn't know where the engineers sit

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TapioK

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That kind of shitty service is more and more common. I hate calling to companies nowadays, it too often leaves me in bad mood. Nothing seems to happend unless I get angry and start shouting, I seriously don't like getting mad to make things happen. It is not just US, this shit is happening all over the world with support calls answered in India or Latvia...
 

HMAN

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Here's an idea. Use a different email addy and tell them you are building a new bike line and want to order their product in mass quantity, but you want to speak with their engineer first to determine specs.....lol.
 

Srodden

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That kind of shitty service is more and more common. I hate calling to companies nowadays, it too often leaves me in bad mood. Nothing seems to happend unless I get angry and start shouting, I seriously don't like getting mad to make things happen. It is not just US, this shit is happening all over the world with support calls answered in India or Latvia...
It's the law you can demand custumer service in the United States. I do it all the time and they put me through because I refuse to give my name etc. to someone in another country.
 

SMCT

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I have a huge threshold and tolerance for people, and this woman is the most inconsiderate, rudest individual I have ever spoken with. She fields and blocks all calls. She had also made mention that they are a much larger manufacturing company and Jims Lifters is one of many entities. It gives me the impression that there is one telephone line designated to be answered on the behalf of Jims Lifters and Margot Sparks is appointed to it. I'm not into playing games and I don't have the time for the bullshit. I just want an answer to a legitimate question on their product.

P.S. During that last short conversation, prior to her hanging the phone up on me, I told her that I would be circulating the word about the poor customer support, and the arogancy that Jims company projects.
 
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bdm7250

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That kind of shitty service is more and more common. I hate calling to companies nowadays, it too often leaves me in bad mood. Nothing seems to happend unless I get angry and start shouting, I seriously don't like getting mad to make things happen. It is not just US, this shit is happening all over the world with support calls answered in India or Latvia...
:agree: Lately I have noticed I am getting better customer service from government agencies than any company, which is not saying much..
 

TapioK

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Was reading a HD site, they wrote there was a lot of problems with Jims engines (and poor service) they claimed that Jims tappets are main reason for exploded engines. They said that even Jims dealers told to replace those with HD tappets.
If there is any truth on those stories from around 2005-2008 you might consider replacing yours with S&S lifters???
 

ksmike

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Was reading a HD site, they wrote there was a lot of problems with Jims engines (and poor service) they claimed that Jims tappets are main reason for exploded engines. They said that even Jims dealers told to replace those with HD tappets.
If there is any truth on those stories from around 2005-2008 you might consider replacing yours with S&S lifters???
I had a Jims 120" Twin Cam engine for my Harley a few years ago and there was a "recall" for defective Jims lifters. They gave me new lifters before mine exploded. I would be very suspect of any of their older lifters.
 

SMCT

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Was reading a HD site, they wrote there was a lot of problems with Jims engines (and poor service) they claimed that Jims tappets are main reason for exploded engines. They said that even Jims dealers told to replace those with HD tappets.
Then the S&S lifters it will be, as I, along with others will have no part of that poor service company. Just add me to that growing list that is dissatisfied with Jims lifters and their customer service.
 

Th3InfamousI

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Then the S&S lifters it will be, as I, along with others will have no part of that poor service company. Just add me to that growing list that is dissatisfied with Jims lifters and their customer service.
I was just thinking about this on my ride home.

While they mentioned the lifters are ten years old, S&S actually recommends you change them every 20-25k miles.

Not that that has anything to do with customer service just throwing it out there. And I'm sure your bike doesn't have 20k either ha.

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Th3InfamousI

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My bike has 6,000 miles.
I figured you didn't but just thought I would mention.

I'd only run S&S they are actually cheaper than Jim's. We had a discussion about the Limited Travel kit a while back I posed and as John Sachs mention it's not necessary in a stock engine with a mild Cam setup which is what I figured. Just a gimmick for S&S to charge $40 extra for a spacer, also they are not as easy to adjust.

I had read elsewhere that anything under a 0.640 or 0.650 lift wouldn't see any benefit with the limited travel kit. I removed them from lifters.

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SMCT

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GMR Performance writes : Myself i would install stock lifters. We have a 1 gallon zip lock bag full of SE lifters( jims) and jims lifters ( from jims directly) that we have had issues with. The stock lifter will get the job done with up to 190 PSI of seat pressure. Now many of the SE heads have spring psi over 200??? which is really not needed. This is SE deal to work with many cams. So what you get is a one size fits all!!

DJKAK Writes: I had Screamin’ Eagle (Jim’s) tappet roller lock up in my machine last year. I picked up a set of Feuling lifters that rattled like a jackass in a tin barn. After speaking with a wise old gentleman from Statesville, I slipped a set of OEM lifters in my gear driven 113 with 103+ heads.
 
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Th3InfamousI

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GMR Performance writes : Myself i would install stock lifters. We have a 1 gallon zip lock bag full of SE lifters( jims) and jims lifters ( from jims directly) that we have had issues with. The stock lifter will get the job done with up to 190 PSI of seat pressure. Now many of the SE heads have spring psi over 200??? which is really not needed. This is SE deal to work with many cams. So what you get is a one size fits all!!
Who the heck is GMR?

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