going from synthetic to regular

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superfly

Ride it like you stole it
I found out recently that when I had my primary fluid changed that synthetic was put in. I know it's ok according to some, but seems the general consensus is to use a regular weight. I want to go back to the regular, but the guy at the big dog dealer said that by doing so i may incure a bigger leak problem. I should have said i have the small leak issue some of the time under the primary. around a dime or quarter size. I did a search and found it could be starter etc, but I think it's primary fluid. Will find out soon enough.. Question is do i need to expect any problems going back to regular weight? Is the old addage once you go synthetic you never go back. thanks
 

reloaderbmg

OLD DOG
THAT. addage is bs. too!
i had amsoil in my primary, for a while ,but because of the noise & slipping i went back to Revtech primary oil , and that was a 1000. miles ago!!!!
 

superfly

Ride it like you stole it
And how did You determine Syn came out?
bbb,
well i didn't determine it was syn so to speak, but it was so clean it has to be. Change was about 1k ago. I'm going to give it a good once over and find out once and for all..
 

Fibersnake

Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Syn.. will not cause a leak but if the gasket had any to begin with, Syn.. will tend to clean out the dirt and waxes that may be keeping the regular from leaking out and thus now there is a leak. It is more likely to occur on older componets than newer ones.

Also if you go from a Synthetic back to a dino, the parafins and inconsistent molecular structure of dino the oil will actually tend to show less leak.

That all said, on the primary of our bikes, it is not a presurized systems and is just a sump that is helping to keep the clutch and chain well lubricated. Should not issues going back to a dino based, however I would suggest that you pull the outer primary cover off, clean up the cover, the chain etc and remove all the crud that tends to build up, then while off, adjust the primary chain, put a new o-ring, install the cover and torque to specs in proper sequence. When done, fill up with your standard Rev-Tech Primary fluid, install new inspection cover o-ring, torque and go ride.

Oh do not forget the Blue LocTite on the primary and inspection cover bolts.
 

Sparks

Chopper Junkie!
Well I will relay the info I just got. High Performance Custom Cylcle of Reno just picked up the Big Dog dealer contract after Big Valley Motorsports, a subsidiary of Big Valley Honda, bit the dust. The tech there is HD certified and just came from Big Dog's headquarters in Kansas factory training where they told him BD does not recomend synth oils due to leak problems that could arise. They also said once your case starts to leak there is no fix other than split the case and re-gasket it.
 

Fibersnake

Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
Sparks valid point and I could see it on older well worn engines. Now if Big Dog is saying they don't recommend it due to leaking on a fairly new engine (say one that is just after break in), I would say they need to learn to better assemble engine and use proper gaskets, torque and sealer.

That all said, no where is my O & M manual does it say not to use Syn for Engine, though it does say BD does not recommend HD Syn for the Primary. Regardless he is talking about the primary and if he changes the primary case O-ring and inspection cover O-Ring, he should have no problem.

Not saying the tech heard wrong for there is no doubt in my mind that someone at BD told him that about the Syn, now the question is if that is a an official BD written policy for their dealers sure have no problems putting it in, at least at some. Also if I bought a brand new BD, put like 2500 miles on it and change over to Mobile 1 or other good API certified 20W-50 V-Twin oil and the cases started leaking like a sif, I would find it very hard to see how BD could blame the oil if they were to denie the warranty claim, for I think I would not have much issues bringing in experts that could say the leaks were due to bad gaskets, gaskets surface, selants, assembly and not oil.

Find it funny that S & S, HD, Corvett and hell so many others have no problems changin it over and not worry about it leaking!!!

More than likely it is an opinion of one of the tech and not based on facts or solid technical information. Granted if one is to change over to Syn on an old Toyota with 50k on it and leakage starts, then though the oil did not creat the leaks, there is leakage due to worn parts and micro gaps in the sealing surface that was being plugged with parafins and dirt and the syn clean it all out and now, due to bad gakets and sealing surface there is a leak.

If I do the same on an engine that just broke in, then I say poor assembly!

Just my 2 cents.
 

superfly

Ride it like you stole it
Fiber, Thanks for the great explanation. It is my intention to change out both o rings at the time I put rev tech back in..
 
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