Pressed out the shaft.....
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- Thread starter Th3InfamousI
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Pump body is ruined...notice the small crack I tried pointing it out with the dental pick
Also I couldnt get the gear out and had to press out the other shaft! it looks like a piece of the shaft clip on the inside got stuck jammed into the pump body and tore it up that is just a balled up piece of aluminum wow. Wore that groove right in the billet!
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Also I couldnt get the gear out and had to press out the other shaft! it looks like a piece of the shaft clip on the inside got stuck jammed into the pump body and tore it up that is just a balled up piece of aluminum wow. Wore that groove right in the billet!
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I got a problem with these "hardened" shafts. This oil pump shaft looks like my starter shaft did!
That chunks of crap around that gear shaft is the inside of the other gear.
If I didn't have bad luck I'd have no luck at all...
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New problem key sheared off and the gear is stuck!
Gear key is at 12 the rest of is at 9 ...geeze
Anyone got any ideas how to get it off?
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Gear key is at 12 the rest of is at 9 ...geeze
Anyone got any ideas how to get it off?
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cdogg556
Guru
It's hard to tell from the pic, can you take one from further away just a little so we can see more of the whole area? What if you used a propane torch and carefully heated up the area it may loosen up enough to pry it out, that is the other end of the broken shaft right? So can you get to the other side and drill and tap into the broken shaft and use some type of puller to remove it while heating it up? I'm just throwing shit out there, this totally sucks ass Eric! I was hoping to see a Video of your bike idling with the 585 in it and you grinning from ear to ear!New problem key sheared off and the gear is stuck!
Gear key is at 12 the rest of is at 9 ...geeze
Anyone got any ideas how to get it off?
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Tried a torch heated it as much as I'm comfortable with next to the crank bearing. Didn't help.
Pump shaft Broke and only sticks out 1/2" out of the case just enough for needle nose vice grips but that would hold the shaft from spinning.
Can't drill it out its about 3" and hardened and would have to take out the engine or transmission to do that. Also there's a brass sleeve the shaft rides in that is pressed into the case can't ruin that engine has to come out to replace I think.
Can't weld a nut on the shaft outside the case because it's hardened cast the weld won't hold.
I'm going to buy an oscillating tool and try to cut it out tomorrow. I'm out of ideas. Can't get dremel wheel in there too tight.
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I've got a sawzall and a good blade...its a big one though. I am worried about controlling the depth of the blade it's not far from the case. That was my first thought.
I think an oscillating cut off tool will work better less aggressive and the blade only moves a few millimeters instead of over 1"
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cdogg556
Guru
Good point, and if you can get something that will cut it better definitely use it, but cutting the shaft behind the gear is gonna be your best bet.
SKOGDOG
One of the old ones.
Q: does the broken shaft turn easily? Or is it seized up?Easy does it with this job....I agree with a smaller and more precise tool. I have not used the tool you're talking about, tho.
I imagine the broken shaft sticking out it the rear is extremely difficult to drill bcs it is too hard and small and round. But if you could put a vice grip in front (clamped on the gear) to stabilize it and then drill a horizontal hole thru the shaft (where your last pic shows the vice grip), you might be able to slide a pin of some kind through there and get some wiggle room. Maybe enough to pry the shaft out towards the rear. At least you could get some leverage. But again, that shaft will be one hard SOB to drill.
I see where it spun 1/4 counterclockwise, but I remember from playing with mine, if the woodruff key is out, that gear freewheels and spins on the shaft. (See 79 and 81 above). Maybe it's bound up, and might pop loose? Again, you could put a vice Grip on the gear and maybe strike the the woodruff key groove with a machinist's hammer/chisel driving it clockwise...being careful not to tear up the lip of the shaft, because it wouldn't back out easily if it is misshapen.
Maybe re-install the cam drive gear to stabilize that front gear, and smack around the back end of the shaft to see if it might loosen up a bit? Or (sensibly) use a chisel on the groove for the woodruff key. I bet if you can create some wiggle room to get working, you might get that damn thing out of there. Of course unless that shaft as bad as the one in your photo...ouch.
BadDawg Bill
Well-Known Member
You should listen to us old fucks.....
Shaft does spin easily...yes.
Now that I have it all apart I think I see what happened. The outer clip broke on the drive shaft and got jammed into the oil pump gear in the body of the pump. None of the geara could move but the engine was still going. It then sheared the key on the shaft where the drive gear sits until it got so jammed so bad it broke the shaft. The clip on the inside of the cam was just collateral damage once the shaft Broke shaft rubbed up against the inside of the cam case while the drive gear was still spinning.
With that said the broken key is about 45 degrees from the slot and jammed damn good as it snapped the shaft. I tried drilling the shaft a bit with a small 1/16 bit near the key but didn't make a dent.
This is the oscillating tool I'm thinking of. These damn blades are about $25 for 3
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Haha I'm listening bill! I'm going with the ultima but I gotta get this old one out first!!!
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Big Daddy 72
Custom Street Rod Interiors & Design
Man that really sucks all the problems you've been having. I've been there. You almost feel as if the universe has got it in for ya. I've been building cars since I was a kid and all I can say about times like the ones you've been through is keep your chin up keep plugging away and the silver lining is... You'll have gained a wealth of knowledge you can revisit anytime you need and you can pass along your hard earned wisdom to others like your doing here! You deserve a beer and a pat on the back buddy!
Finally got it cut out. Took 3 Carbide oscillating blades! $25 in blades to cut out the damn shaft!
Now I've spent a lot of time cleaning trying to get all the flakes out. When I start it I'm actually going to run it for just a few miles then drain the oil and change the filter.
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Now I've spent a lot of time cleaning trying to get all the flakes out. When I start it I'm actually going to run it for just a few miles then drain the oil and change the filter.
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