3rd Gear Skip/Surge

[vej]

On the way to work this morning, I was rolling into the throttle, and when I hit third gear it felt like my belt slipped a few teeth. Now, it isn't the belt, and no other gear is doing it. But third gear is skipping, or slipping... don't really know how to say it. Not a clutch issue, not a slipping belt issue... got me real worried now (my pockets are very shallow).

Idea's of what the issue is and the solutions to repairing them?

Thanks,

 

[Marky-Marc]

if it's doing it consistently, check your clutch hub nut, your clutch pack and your clutch BASKET for cracks.....you can do it at home by pulling primary cover....will cost you primary fluid....but cheaper than having someone else (like me) fuck up your engine...bwahahahaha

 

[Sven]

The next question is, does a loose clutch nut cause a 3rd gear fallout, meaning, this is unique to the trans is 3rd is the connection to the loose bolt... yes or no?

 

[Marky-Marc]

The next question is, does a loose clutch nut cause a 3rd gear fallout, meaning, this is unique to the trans is 3rd is the connection to the loose bolt... yes or no?

No, Sven, you are correct!

but then again, it's possible.....but I see your point brother....I need more coffee......

It's like how the hell did I drive over 150 miles with a completely broken clutch basket......shouldn't be possible, but did it.....

Stranger things have happened.....bwahahahaha

 

[Marky-Marc]

The next question is, does a loose clutch nut cause a 3rd gear fallout, meaning, this is unique to the trans is 3rd is the connection to the loose bolt... yes or no?

And to check all of that, primary needs to be drained and outer cover taken off anyhow......correct @Sven?

 

[vej]

if it's doing it consistently, check your clutch hub nut, your clutch pack and your clutch BASKET for cracks.....you can do it at home by pulling primary cover....will cost you primary fluid....but cheaper than having someone else (like me) fuck up your engine...bwahahahaha

Very familiar with the internals of the damn cheap clutches they put in these bikes. I had more issues with mine when BigDog Tampa was still around. I've replaced the clutch pack, pressure plate, etc (all in the past), so I'm familiar with the inner workings of the primary. I've never taken the transmission apart, however BDTampa did a couple times when they were trying to figure out all the clutch slippage (before it was determined that the pressure plates needed to be anodized).

Why would the "jumping" be in third gear only? That would indicate something in the transmission, not the clutch hub nut, right?

 

[Marky-Marc]

Very familiar with the internals of the damn cheap clutches they put in these bikes. I had more issues with mine when BigDog Tampa was still around. I've replaced the clutch pack, pressure plate, etc (all in the past), so I'm familiar with the inner workings of the primary. I've never taken the transmission apart, however BDTampa did a couple times when they were trying to figure out all the clutch slippage (before it was determined that the pressure plates needed to be anodized).

Why would the "jumping" be in third gear only? That would indicate something in the transmission, not the clutch hub nut, right?

all joking aside.

Start simple, adjust your clutch, see if that helps.

Then drain your primary, pull the cover and inspect your clutch plates , carrier, etc..carefully.....and go from there before going into the tranny....

check all other exterior adjustments/equipment before ruling them out and going towards the trans....meaning....clutch, shift linkage etc.....

if it gets to the trans, pull your top cover and check the shifter prawl adjustment and the shifter forks and look at everything in the shifter cam.

Doing it only in third gear is very odd indeed!!!

Baker trans are damn good trannys......if it's not the clutch pack, adjustments , other shit etc...could be the shifter fork or clutch DOG not sliding into 3rd gear properly.

If it's dragging or grabbing, could be a groove in your clutch basket causing plates to bind or plate lugs...but again, only third gear is odd...

Thinking about your trans comment, that would indicate that the 'dogs' on the third gear in your trans could be rounded.....

START WITH THE SIMPLE SHIT FIRST AND DON'T OVERTHINK LIKE I DO!!!

 

[vej]

Well, it's for sure. Third gear is gone. I had to ride home from work that day, then back to work the next day and home again. Each way is 35 miles... no third. If I mistakenly downshift to third you can hear the gears barely touch, like if you mis shift and don't get it in gear. If I hit the gear while upshifting, it jerks, pops in and out of gear. I've simply been skipping third completely. Going to be a couple weeks before I can fix it because my wife's Chrysler 300 took a dump at the same time.... one thing at a time. So she's using my car, which means I have to ride the bike to work without third.

Any and all ideas of what the third issue could be are appreciated. Oh, and I've never taken apart one of these tranny's. Can't imagine its that difficult, but going to ask anyway. Any "gotcha's"? Anything I should buy in advance or be prepared for?

Thanks!

 

[popsicle069]

I'm to tranny expert by any means. But I have had a couple apart. There is a "C" clip that holds the gear on to the shaft. I have had one of them slip out of its groove on the shaft and cause the synchronizer to not go all the way into the gear. Lucky for me all I had to do was move the "C" clip back into position.

You can pull the top of the trans and the shifter drum and slide the synchronizers to see what is going on in there.

The manual does have a diagram that will show you your gear sets.

 

[Little-Boo]

I'm to tranny expert by any means. But I have had a couple apart. There is a "C" clip that holds the gear on to the shaft. I have had one of them slip out of its groove on the shaft and cause the synchronizer to not go all the way into the gear. Lucky for me all I had to do was move the "C" clip back into position.

You can pull the top of the trans and the shifter drum and slide the synchronizers to see what is going on in there.

The manual does have a diagram that will show you your gear sets.

What he said .

Carlos

 

[vej]

So, my cousin and I had the bike apart ("Top of Piston" thread) to fix the oil leak. Took Carlos' advice with replacing gaskets with Cometic gaskets and milling head, etc (Thanks for all the help there Carlos!). While it was apart, we popped the top of the tranny off, took off the drum. The gears look brand new, beautiful. Couldn't see any c-clips. We shifted through the gears, all looked good, everything moved smoothly, connected, etc... Now, we did note that I was really low on oil (my bad), but nothing else. The bike will be put back together as soon as I get new head screws, then we'll see how it rides and if 3rd gear is there (when it's full of oil (yes 20 oz). Any other ideas of what to look for in the tranny BEFORE we get it all back together?

Thanks

 

[HMAN]

FWIW, when the clutch is needing to be adjusted on the Pit I notice a slip by 3 every so often. Acts kinda like you described but not as severe. I can hit 4th and downshift to find 3rd, so not as bad as your's. Keep us posted...

 

[vej]

FWIW, when the clutch is needing to be adjusted on the Pit I notice a slip by 3 every so often. Acts kinda like you described but not as severe. I can hit 4th and downshift to find 3rd, so not as bad as your's. Keep us posted...

You can literally feel it pop in/out of third... and sometimes if it just doesn't hit, you can "hear" the gears just barely touching... you know that aweful sound.

It really doens't have anything to do with a clutch, hub nut, or anything like that... believe me.

 

[Mr. Wright]

Sounds like, from what you are saying, that the shift fork isn't pushing it all the way into gear. Do you have a manual?

 

[vej]

Sounds like, from what you are saying, that the shift fork isn't pushing it all the way into gear. Do you have a manual?

Yep, have manual.... we watched it shift with the top off... everything "seemed" to click smoothly and engage... but when I was actually riding (before the tear down), sometimes it would engage, then pop out, other times it wouldn't engage at all (teeth barely hitting)... ...

 

[Mr. Wright]

Ok, from here, check your shift linkage, from your toe shiftier to the transmission. Do you have enough throw, and check to make sure one of the joints is not froze up

 

[cdogg556]

I have had my bike pop outta gear once in a while if it didn't quite fully engage when I shifted, freaked me out! Then I noticed my shift lever on the tranny was loose! tightened it up and it never happened again, sometimes we overlook the simple things, good luck Eric!

 

[vej]

I have had my bike pop outta gear once in a while if it didn't quite fully engage when I shifted, freaked me out! Then I noticed my shift lever on the tranny was loose! tightened it up and it never happened again, sometimes we overlook the simple things, good luck Eric!

I had shifting problems another time, and found that 2 of the 3 little allen head bolts on my shifter had fallen out.... but that was TOTALLY different than this..

 

[Fitzy]

Have you checked the shift lever on the transmission itself this happened to me recently i coudnt get past 3rd it would slip in third at high revs and i had no 4,5 or 6th this was the result of two problems first the clutch hub nut came loose and the shift lever on the trans was slipping i did notice when Curtis sent me a knew lever it is stainless instead of alloy like the original this could be a common problem with the alloy levers don't know if anyone else has had a problem with the alloy lever
just a thought

 

[Mr. Wright]

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced it's an external problem