Super G - 600 CAM

[Bdm4ever]

I'm planning ahead for next winters project. Either a 585 or 600 CAM with a Thunderheart. I thought the Super G already came with the larger valves. Can anyone help or tell me how to confirm larger valves? Or Am I wasting my time?

 

[woodbutcher]

when you are saying Super G, are you referring to the Carb or the motor????? the carb is the Super G and the motor is the S&S Super Sidewinder. the only valves that were smaller were in the '05 EPA motor, believe all the rest from then on were the same size.

 

[Bdm4ever]

Yes Tom, the super G carb for the S&S 117 motor.. And thank for the run down I may be going with the 600.

 

[BWG56]

If you go with the 600, are you going to deck the heads also?

 

[Bdm4ever]

If you go with the 600, are you going to deck the heads also?

I thought since I have the Super G Carb with the larger valves I could simply swap out to the 600 but that is beginning to appear not possible. Still researching on the forum and elsewhere for the best.. May have to use the 585 but still looking.
Here's to ya mate..

 

[francoblay1]

Having a Super G Carb does not mean your 117 has larger valves.... its the same on my 06, all are (EPA). But you do have even a smaller cam (547), my 06 came with a 569.

Unless you have the money and willing to spend it on doing work on your heads, I suggest you go with the 585 cam, its a true plug & play and you wont need to change springs neither. It will give alot more extra torque! it does not disappoint... I just wished I had it done earlier...

Lots of threads on this subject.

 

[Bdm4ever]

Thanks for the advise Franco. I did a little research on the heads and that is costly..

 

[BWG56]

Having a Super G Carb does not mean your 117 has larger valves.... its the same on my 06, all are (EPA). But you do have even a smaller cam (547), my 06 came with a 569.

Unless you have the money and willing to spend it on doing work on your heads, I suggest you go with the 585 cam, its a true plug & play and you wont need to change springs neither. It will give alot more extra torque! it does not disappoint... I just wished I had it done earlier...

Lots of threads on this subject.

OEM was 546 or 569, 2 years you talked about, 2 years Wanker

Tony, 585 is a great choice, easy done and you won't believe the difference, not only in performance but the first time you start it up, it will make you shiver
The TH programable ignition is a different thing, some say they see a difference but I haven't, I think the only way to see a difference with that would be to dyno it. When I put the 585 in I also put the dual runner on and rejetted at the same time so thats why I don't think it did much, I removed the TH and didn't feel a difference. However with that said your experience could be different.

 

[titus722]

My 2 cents ,, leave it alone ,,

 

[francoblay1]

My 2 cents ,, leave it alone ,,

No way!!!!!!

If you don swap your little EPA Cam (546) to a 585 you will never know what you are missing!!!!

The 585 is the one S&S recommends for our 117 anyways... safe & worth the power!!!

Call S&S and see for yourself.

 

[Bdm4ever]

OEM was 546 or 569, 2 years you talked about, 2 years Wanker

Tony, 585 is a great choice, easy done and you won't believe the difference, not only in performance but the first time you start it up, it will make you shiver
The TH programable ignition is a different thing, some say they see a difference but I haven't, I think the only way to see a difference with that would be to dyno it. When I put the 585 in I also put the dual runner on and rejetted at the same time so thats why I don't think it did much, I removed the TH and didn't feel a difference. However with that said your experience could be different.

Thanks Bro .. I may just try out the 585 only before the TH and see what I get from there.. If the TH doesn't do anything then no real loss. I did read that the TH allows the adjustment of the compression ratios but if I'm using the 585 as a pnp then not really needed.

 

[Bdm4ever]

My 2 cents ,, leave it alone ,,

Thanks for the input. If Big Dog would have left the 117 as a 117 then I would agree 100%. But their dubbed down 117 with 90 - 98 HP sucks.. These motors are capable 140 HP with 386 torque or more. Live and let live.. Safe trails

 

[francoblay1]

Thanks Bro .. I may just try out the 585 only before the TH and see what I get from there.. If the TH doesn't do anything then no real loss. I did read that the TH allows the adjustment of the compression ratios but if I'm using the 585 as a pnp then not really needed.

Do It!!! I just wished I did it earlier!

And as I said in my earlier post (#10 in this same page), 585 is the one S&S recommends for our 117. Call S&S and talk to them.

http://www.bigdogbiker.com/threads/585-cam-install-on-09-k9.27075/

 

[Bdm4ever]

So we have to do a pushrod adjustment "before" the 585 install? Why does this sound backwards to me? Remember I'm a novice here.

 

[francoblay1]

Thanks for the input. If Big Dog would have left the 117 as a 117 then I would agree 100%. But their dubbed down 117 with 90 - 98 HP sucks.. These motors are capable 140 HP with 386 torque or more. Live and let live.. Safe trails

Regarding the IM, check this out if you haven´t seen it yet: http://www.bigdogbiker.com/threads/best-damn-upgrade.8943/

I did both (cam & IM) at the same time so I cannot tell you for sure... but my K9 is a BEAST now... no comparison on how it used to be before the cam upgrade.

Keep us posted.

 

[francoblay1]

So we have to do a pushrod adjustment "before" the 585 install? Why does this sound backwards to me? Remember I'm a novice here.

Nope! you do adjust the pushrods AFTER the cam install!!! you will have to loosen up the pushrods to do the cam change.... once everything in place, then last step will be to adjust the pushrods

Go to the "How To" section... click on the link at the bottom of my Signature Block and it will take you there.

Or have a mechanic to do it for you.... it is a two hours job, one of these two ours is for adjusting the pushrods as you need to sit around doing nothing as you need each one to bleed (15 mins) till you can go to the next one.

 

[Bdm4ever]

Nope! you do adjust the pushrods AFTER the cam install!!! you will have to loosen up the pushrods to do the cam change.... once everything in place, then last step will be to adjust the pushrods

Go to the "How To" section... click on the link at the bottom of my Signature Block and it will take you there.

Or have a mechanic to do it for you.... it is a two hours job, one of these two ours is for adjusting the pushrods as you need to sit around doing nothing as you need each one to bleed (15 mins) till you can go to the next one.

Thanks. I watched and read all the posts It was just confusing to me but now makes sense the loosing em up, cam install, adjust and tighten.. Just trying to get the order of process in my old brain.. Gonna do it myself.. Winter project this year..

 

[BWG56]

Thanks. I watched and read all the posts It was just confusing to me but now makes sense the loosing em up, cam install, adjust and tighten.. Just trying to get the order of process in my old brain.. Gonna do it myself.. Winter project this year..

Bowhunter did a excellent how to on the cam install, the cam cover has pins in it to locate it, and the valve spring pressure is on the lifters if you don't back off the push rods.The cam cover supports the front of the cam, that's why its located with pins.
Once you lift the push rod covers and turn your back tire to rotate the engine while your watching the pushrods go up and down, it will makes sense to you. Its one of the cheapest and most beneficial mods you can do to your bike.