Starter Died & Transmission Destroyed

[Jwooky]

Exactly.
Even better, you engineer the product to be mass produced.

Example it's not cost effective to machine housings from billet. No one does that. You redesign for casting, you may need to beef up certain high stress areas.

BDM was not filling up there pockets with cash or they would not be bankrupt.

They should have done more of this, but ensured the product was designed and validated for it.

 

[Th3InfamousI]

Exactly.
Even better, you engineer the product to be mass produced.

Example it's not cost effective to machine housings from billet. No one does that. You redesign for casting, you may need to beef up certain high stress areas.

BDM was not filling up there pockets with cash or they would not be bankrupt.

They should have done more of this, but ensured the product was designed and validated for it.

We got the cast clutch carrier that breaks

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[BWG56]

We got the cast clutch carrier that breaks
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Old cast, new billet

 

[FrankBDPS]

I have to disagree Franco. Baker had a good reputation and should have told Coleman fuck you that won't work. Coleman wanted the name brands,S&S, Baker,ect to sell his bikes. Face it the looks of the bikes sold them as much as anything. Sorry but the blame is on Baker as much as Coleman.

Please don't send drones.

As far as the money goes how much do you think Coleman and all the top brass at BDM got paid a year. I bet it was way more than us guys who are riding the bikes could dream of making a year. That's the shit that killed companies like BDM.

I am not ragging on BDM. I love my bike and will have it and hopefully a chopper is in my near future.

 

[Jwooky]

We got the cast clutch carrier that breaks

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Lol, wasn't engineered!

Maybe baker doesn't understand the material properties of casting.

 

[BWG56]

Lol, wasn't engineered!

Maybe baker doesn't understand the material properties of casting.

With the new programs for Engineering, you can Engineer it until the cows come home and it will still break, I watched Engineers spend months on castings with all the stress programs, and I walked up to the guy doing it and asked him what he was doing, I told him where it was going to break, just looking at the model on his computer. They built it and tested it, guess where it broke

Experience is pricelessand a little common sense helps

 

[AZ Rider]

Old cast, new billet
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Is this the updated basket from Baker? I'm assuming/hoping when I was told Baker updated their internals that the basket was part of what he was talking about.

 

[Bdogridgeback]

Have to agree with Kickstart on this one.

 

[chubs]

With the new programs for Engineering, you can Engineer it until the cows come home and it will still break, I watched Engineers spend months on castings with all the stress programs, and I walked up to the guy doing it and asked him what he was doing, I told him where it was going to break, just looking at the model on his computer. They built it and tested it, guess where it broke

Experience is pricelessand a little common sense helps

Where is "the weakest point for $200 please"

 

[BWG56]

Is this the updated basket from Baker? I'm assuming/hoping when I was told Baker updated their internals that the basket was part of what he was talking about.

I do believe the bottom one is the latest, now with that being said, here's what happened, I ordered one and realized it was the wrong part, sent it back and ordered the starter ring, after sending it back a day later I realized the bearing was shot and ordered the basket again. 1st basket looked like the top one 2nd basket looked the the bottom one, did I get old stock the 1st time? maybe, I don't know, but the bottom one is stronger if you compare the 2.

 

[BWG56]

Where is "the weakest point for $200 please"

Where I told him

wait, this is kinda like a dog chasing his tail

 

[chubs]

Where I told him

wait, this is kinda like a dog chasing his tail

Back when I worked in the factory building cryogenic semi trailers, management insisted we "build it by the blueprints" Warehousing would bring in full sheets of metal. Layout would mark, cut, bend the metal "by the print". Machine shop did all the machine work "by the print" Then the forklift driver would take these brand new pieces and dump them in the scrap bin. Only took 3 days of this to get engineering down in the shop to see what it actually took to build a trailer. I still wonder why they went belly up!
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[Jwooky]

With the new programs for Engineering, you can Engineer it until the cows come home and it will still break, I watched Engineers spend months on castings with all the stress programs, and I walked up to the guy doing it and asked him what he was doing, I told him where it was going to break, just looking at the model on his computer. They built it and tested it, guess where it broke

Experience is pricelessand a little common sense helps

I certainly agree with the last statement. But don't agree you can't engineer cast material. It is done successfully around the world in many different industries.

Absolutely agree you cannot relay on simulations alone. It's just a tool. Experience, common sense all are needed.

 

[BWG56]

I certainly agree with the last statement. But don't agree you can't engineer cast material. It is done successfully around the world in many different industries.
Absolutely agree you cannot relay on simulations alone. It's just a tool. Experience, common sense all are needed.

I didn't say you can't do it, with the design tools (computer programs) of today and enough time, they will eventually get it to work. I worked with castings and machined drawings for 40 years and I can tell you what took me 4 hours to do with a drawing board and pencil and common sense in 1976 was taking 4 days to do with computer programs before I quit in Sept. and it wasn't correct and always had to be modified. And it don't matter if you use Auto-Cad, Pro-E, Medusa, Creo or Solid Works for your tool, I've designed with all of them.
This started out that BDM screwed these trannys up, most casting company's don't even wanna deal with you for 25-30K units for casting, and that was about the total number of these bikes built.

 

[FrankBDPS]

Ker you need to keep in mind that the left side drive transmissions were not the problem. The old Big Dogs remember? It was the right side drive transmissions that had issues so the number produced was way less than you stated.

 

[KaptinAmerika]

I do believe the bottom one is the latest, now with that being said, here's what happened, I ordered one and realized it was the wrong part, sent it back and ordered the starter ring, after sending it back a day later I realized the bearing was shot and ordered the basket again. 1st basket looked like the top one 2nd basket looked the the bottom one, did I get old stock the 1st time? maybe, I don't know, but the bottom one is stronger if you compare the 2.

I've sent the picture to my dealer rep at Baker to see what he comes back with.
I asked him a couple of weeks ago about the billet carrier and he told me they weren't making them in billet.

 

[BWG56]

I've sent the picture to my dealer rep at Baker to see what he comes back with.
I asked him a couple of weeks ago about the billet carrier and he told me they weren't making them in billet.

Well this will be interesting to find out which is old and which is new, very interesting

Ker you need to keep in mind that the left side drive transmissions were not the problem. The old Big Dogs remember? It was the right side drive transmissions that had issues so the number produced was way less than you stated.

Old dogs but your right, I forgot about the left side drives, I knew I was forgetting something I usually do

 

[Th3InfamousI]

I've sent the picture to my dealer rep at Baker to see what he comes back with.
I asked him a couple of weeks ago about the billet carrier and he told me they weren't making them in billet.

I was pretty sure it was billet and if they aren't making billet I want kers if they have any left

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[BWG56]

Curtis, is it possible to just get the bearings and inner hub in the clutch basket assembly, you can see the back plate is fine, but the bearing and inner hub has an indent in it when I spin it?

 

[Th3InfamousI]

Curtis, is it possible to just get the bearings and inner hub in the clutch basket assembly, you can see the back plate is fine, but the bearing and inner hub has an indent in it when I spin it?

There isn't any markings on it? baker didn't make their own bearing

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