Agreed nobody knows all the details except for the folks that were there. Just a shitty deal all around for everyone.
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Biker Gang shoot out in Waco
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Tall Mike
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liferider
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A shoving match in a bathroom at a Confederation of Clubs meeting in Waco, Texas exploded into a war yesterday. Nine people were killed, 27 people were injured, 17 were hospitalized, two are listed in critical condition, and 160 men were arrested following a brawl at a chain restaurant in a shopping center on the South Jack Kultgen Espressway.
The fight resulted from a long simmering dispute between members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club and the Cossacks and the Scimitars Motorcycle Clubs. Curtis Jack Lewis, president of the Abilene chapter of the Bandidos, and Wesley Dale Mason, the chapters’ sergeant at arms, were accused of stabbing two Cossacks outside Logan’s Roadhouse in Abilene in November 2013. The two Bandidos were charged with aggravated assault in March 2014. The Scimitars are in the process of patching over to the Cossacks.
Other clubs in attendance at the Sunday brunch included the Blackett Arms MC, Gypsy MC, HonorBound Motorcycle Ministry, Renatus MC, Escondidos MC, Sons of the South MC, Los Pirados MC, Leathernecks MC, Vietnam Vets/Legacy Vets MC, In Country MC and the Tornado Motorcycle Club.
All of the arrestees are being charged under Title 11, Section 71.02, a draconian Texas law titled “Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity.” According to that law, “A person commits an offense if, with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination or as a member of a criminal street gang, the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of” most of the acts that are illegal in Texas: Including possession of small amounts of marijuana, transporting a firearm, and possession of banned weapons like brass knuckles and butterfly knives. Police seized about a hundred weapons at the crime scene
Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”
The Restaurant Did It
The Texas Region One COC and Independents meeting was scheduled to begin at one p.m. The fight began about 12:15. Local police had urged the restaurant, a Hooters knock-off called Twin Peaks, to refuse service to bikers. Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there. In a statement Sunday, Patel said “our management team had had ongoing and positive communications with the police.”
Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.”
The restaurant has been sponsoring a bike night on Thursdays. Local police have been trying to convince the management to stop that, too. It is legal in Texas, as it is in most states, to ban the display of motorcycle club patches in public establishments. “They were aware that there were issues here,” Swanton said. “It was local management here. We told them of the issues, we tried to get assistance in reference to dealing with these crowds but they would not cooperate.”
Today, Front Burner Restaurants, which owns the Twin Peaks chain, announced it was cancelling the Waco restaurant’s franchise agreement.
“We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the announcement said.
“Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.
“We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured.”
Swanton said, “That’s a good thing for law enforcement here. That is one issue that we don’t have to worry about – people coming in and creating another incident after the tragic incident we had last night.”
Swat
When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including at ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.
The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.
Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”
The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”
The fight resulted from a long simmering dispute between members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club and the Cossacks and the Scimitars Motorcycle Clubs. Curtis Jack Lewis, president of the Abilene chapter of the Bandidos, and Wesley Dale Mason, the chapters’ sergeant at arms, were accused of stabbing two Cossacks outside Logan’s Roadhouse in Abilene in November 2013. The two Bandidos were charged with aggravated assault in March 2014. The Scimitars are in the process of patching over to the Cossacks.
Other clubs in attendance at the Sunday brunch included the Blackett Arms MC, Gypsy MC, HonorBound Motorcycle Ministry, Renatus MC, Escondidos MC, Sons of the South MC, Los Pirados MC, Leathernecks MC, Vietnam Vets/Legacy Vets MC, In Country MC and the Tornado Motorcycle Club.
All of the arrestees are being charged under Title 11, Section 71.02, a draconian Texas law titled “Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity.” According to that law, “A person commits an offense if, with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination or as a member of a criminal street gang, the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of” most of the acts that are illegal in Texas: Including possession of small amounts of marijuana, transporting a firearm, and possession of banned weapons like brass knuckles and butterfly knives. Police seized about a hundred weapons at the crime scene
Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”
The Restaurant Did It
The Texas Region One COC and Independents meeting was scheduled to begin at one p.m. The fight began about 12:15. Local police had urged the restaurant, a Hooters knock-off called Twin Peaks, to refuse service to bikers. Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there. In a statement Sunday, Patel said “our management team had had ongoing and positive communications with the police.”
Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.”
The restaurant has been sponsoring a bike night on Thursdays. Local police have been trying to convince the management to stop that, too. It is legal in Texas, as it is in most states, to ban the display of motorcycle club patches in public establishments. “They were aware that there were issues here,” Swanton said. “It was local management here. We told them of the issues, we tried to get assistance in reference to dealing with these crowds but they would not cooperate.”
Today, Front Burner Restaurants, which owns the Twin Peaks chain, announced it was cancelling the Waco restaurant’s franchise agreement.
“We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the announcement said.
“Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.
“We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured.”
Swanton said, “That’s a good thing for law enforcement here. That is one issue that we don’t have to worry about – people coming in and creating another incident after the tragic incident we had last night.”
Swat
When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including at ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.
The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.
Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”
The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”
BadDawg Bill
Well-Known Member
a Confederation of Clubs meeting in Waco, Texas exploded into a war yesterday. Nine people were killed, 27 people were injured, 17 were hospitalized, two are listed in critical condition, and 160 men were arrested following a brawl at a chain restaurant in a shopping center on the South Jack Kultgen Espressway.
Funny how the numbers keep changing. Over 200 arrested, 180 arrested, 160 arrested. If they can't get that straight then how can anything else be straight?
A recruitment get together then a Confederation of Clubs meeting, Then 100 cops outside, then 50 cops outside.... 2 swat teams then 1 swat team...
You can't believe anything anymore.... Funny with all this shooting going on only the bikers got shot and only those leaving.... We will never know the truth... Ah, and Jade Helm is coming up with Texas as listed hostile.... coincidence I think not?
I'm not sticking up for the violence but too much doesn't add up. I rode years ago with a 1% club and believe me none of us would have pulled out guns with the law standing there with their guns out numbering us... Even the dumbest guy wasn't that stupid... ah, and then again 4 "members" were placed in a black van and taken away.... informants?
And if you believe all this then you can believe guys who couldn't fly a 1 engine plane guided commercial airliners into the twin towers and for the first time in history steel buildings collapsed by fire imploding in on themselves and one who wasn't even hit collapsed on it's own.....
Funny how the numbers keep changing. Over 200 arrested, 180 arrested, 160 arrested. If they can't get that straight then how can anything else be straight?
A recruitment get together then a Confederation of Clubs meeting, Then 100 cops outside, then 50 cops outside.... 2 swat teams then 1 swat team...
You can't believe anything anymore.... Funny with all this shooting going on only the bikers got shot and only those leaving.... We will never know the truth... Ah, and Jade Helm is coming up with Texas as listed hostile.... coincidence I think not?
I'm not sticking up for the violence but too much doesn't add up. I rode years ago with a 1% club and believe me none of us would have pulled out guns with the law standing there with their guns out numbering us... Even the dumbest guy wasn't that stupid... ah, and then again 4 "members" were placed in a black van and taken away.... informants?
And if you believe all this then you can believe guys who couldn't fly a 1 engine plane guided commercial airliners into the twin towers and for the first time in history steel buildings collapsed by fire imploding in on themselves and one who wasn't even hit collapsed on it's own.....
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Latest I heard was that 4 of the 9 killed were killed by Law Enforcement. The police have no comment. The way the police chief "gushed" about what a great job the cops did sounds like a bit of a cover up to me. With all of the police present before the shooting, it would be pretty easy for them to get trigger happy and start picking bikers off. Sure glad I wasn't there and I'm not even a violent person.
There is MORE to this story than what the media (and the police) are feeding us.
I guess we will have another summer of rallies with more cops than bikers (just like it was after the Laughlin brawl).
People who love bikes just need to RIDE!
Shovelcowboy
There is MORE to this story than what the media (and the police) are feeding us.
I guess we will have another summer of rallies with more cops than bikers (just like it was after the Laughlin brawl).
People who love bikes just need to RIDE!
Shovelcowboy
Fibersnake
Banjo Playing PsychoBilly
"People who love bikes just need to RIDE!"
That is the bottom line for me and I hope most on here.
One of these days most of the facts will be there between legend and lies and only those involved will no the true aspects and even then take their stories with a grain of salt.
Many good points on here, and much better read than any news media for sure. Please keep posting if you find facts, especially about informant and setup theories. Looks to me as this is not over and that the LE might regret their actions. A bunch of donut eating and trigger happy idiots against a bunch of heavily armed and pissed off bikers could end very badly...
liferider
Looking forward to retirement
That will never ever happen!
I agree with you TapioK. With all the push nationwide for police accountability and demands for body cams, WHY is there no video. The cops were there with patrol vehicles and could have easily set up the dash cams in the cars they brought to hide behind so they could use their tactical rifles safely. (I doubt that any bikers came carrying rifles with scopes so probably not a fair or necessary fight between them and an army of police)
Something smells "FISHY"!
Shovelcowboy
BadDawg Bill
Well-Known Member
Here is another view point I read today:
Waco Texas Biker Brawl and Shooting is a Hoax
I'm not sure it went down that way but he brings up some interesting points.
Waco Texas Biker Brawl and Shooting is a Hoax
I'm not sure it went down that way but he brings up some interesting points.
BadDawg Bill
Well-Known Member
Here is an other article today:
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepo...h-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/133124
TapioK
Well-Known Member
So if this is true, it looks police had to shoot 27 bikers, killing 9 to prevent those 6 guys beating each other? Sounds clever.
From what I have heard from the Local Bikers, this is not over. Most of the dead were killed by cops, it was like duck hunting to them as they weren't being shot at. The shooting was between the Bikers, so the cops had easy pickings distant head and chest shots with rifles. It will all come out at the end and it may not be to safe for the cops in Waco for a while as they have already been warned.
Carlos
Carlos
liferider
Looking forward to retirement
This is going to get shit ass bad before it's over! Couple of HOG members are backing out of ROT because of it. ROT has a big Bandito showing there.From what I have heard from the Local Bikers, this is not over. Most of the dead were killed by cops, it was like duck hunting to them as they weren't being shot at. The shooting was between the Bikers, so the cops had easy pickings distant head and chest shots with rifles. It will all come out at the end and it may not be to safe for the cops in Waco for a while as they have already been warned.
Carlos
francoblay1
The Spaniard
and in no time we will see a movie about it
Very clear that there is more to this story. Thanks for posting it.
You sure do have to question what the police fed to the media which then went to the public which then somehow(?) became the truth(?). NO WONDER WE THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO BELIEVE??? (and this is true with almost all local, national, and international news)
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...nt-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...nt-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/