06 Chopper not starting ???

[FatDog]

Hey guys,

I've got an 06 Chopper that I bought new and have never had a lick of issues.......thus far. Every winter the bike is stored in a heated garage and all year it's got a tender on it. Every spring, I've gone out and it's fired right up until this year????

Bike swings good and strong, I'm getting fuel and it's got spark but all it does is swing and swing with no fire not even a pop???

One thing I did notice was that I did forget the petcock in the on position where I always (religiously) turn it off all the time. For what ever reason I either forgot this time or it got turned while cleaning sometime over the winter.

Any thoughts or suggestions, I'm all ears!!!

Big thanks in advance!!!

 

[Guillaume]

How old is your battery, check it out.

 

[Sven]

getting fuel and it's got spark but all it does is swing and swing with no fire not even a pop???

Not battery if say since '06 is the ['bike swings strong'] is the same routine, right? So I have to keep searching is all 3 variables are present. I have to think that sitting with bad gas was not an issue of we count the years the carbs sat filled for a few months, gas is a detergent [wash the grease off with gas are clean hands, yes?] so that's just as on the raggedge as is the tender and where are we in amp to batt balance, but that's a different thread as is draining the carb bowl when in season.

One thing I did notice was that I did forget the petcock in the on position

This looks like a big clue about not starting the engine with plugs in.
a. Say we have no hydraulic lock, but we filled up the crankcase with pet on.
b. Say we have bike on the side stand and we need to find a hose for the timing cover plug.
c. Say we have most of the gas in the crankcase, we crank gas back up in the bag? No. We more drain the crank at the bottom bolt or the timing plug and pour that out there; not worry about stripping the case bottom bolt.
d. Say we have the tube in the timing hole and pour as much out; oh well, pull plugs; kill the spark or the house goes up; gas is present so we just keep that arc from the starter [not happening around gas] and all that being present.
e. Say we have a hearty breakfast; plugs out; in top gear; case is drained as much as was leaned over; no taps on the ground with bike; the rest is drain the oil now in the bag; we push the bike up [the road] and back; the feed tube to the oil pump is to some remote [saved] take-out soup container zipped to the gravity side of the feed tube we capture the gas/oil solution.
f. Say we have oil/gas at the top end under this priming of the start issue. The rest is to drain the remaining gas with about 20 miles on new oil; we drain that one more time is the sacrifice of a few quarts.
g. Say we run new plugs if we see wet looking plugs when removed. This may spark, but oil/wet foul is the variable not even a pop. So think; no more cranking with plugs in or starting; but more push the bike clean so no gas to spark can cook the bike/you/house call...

Signed,

NOLTT

 

[FatDog]

So possibly with the petcock open, I basically had gas drain in and into the crank case?

Pull the plug on the bottom of the crank case and see what happens?????

Any thing else???

 

[FatDog]

Not battery if say since '06 is the ['bike swings strong'] is the same routine, right? So I have to keep searching is all 3 variables are present. I have to think that sitting with bad gas was not an issue of we count the years the carbs sat filled for a few months, gas is a detergent [wash the grease off with gas are clean hands, yes?] so that's just as on the raggedge as is the tender and where are we in amp to batt balance, but that's a different thread as is draining the carb bowl when in season.


This looks like a big clue about not starting the engine with plugs in.
a. Say we have no hydraulic lock, but we filled up the crankcase with pet on.
b. Say we have bike on the side stand and we need to find a hose for the timing cover plug.
c. Say we have most of the gas in the crankcase, we crank gas back up in the bag? No. We more drain the crank at the bottom bolt or the timing plug and pour that out there; not worry about stripping the case bottom bolt.
d. Say we have the tube in the timing hole and pour as much out; oh well, pull plugs; kill the spark or the house goes up; gas is present so we just keep that arc from the starter [not happening around gas] and all that being present.
e. Say we have a hearty breakfast; plugs out; in top gear; case is drained as much as was leaned over; no taps on the ground with bike; the rest is drain the oil now in the bag; we push the bike up [the road] and back; the feed tube to the oil pump is to some remote [saved] take-out soup container zipped to the gravity side of the feed tube we capture the gas/oil solution.
f. Say we have oil/gas at the top end under this priming of the start issue. The rest is to drain the remaining gas with about 20 miles on new oil; we drain that one more time is the sacrifice of a few quarts.
g. Say we run new plugs if we see wet looking plugs when removed. This may spark, but oil/wet foul is the variable not even a pop. So think; no more cranking with plugs in or starting; but more push the bike clean so no gas to spark can cook the bike/you/house call...

Signed,

NOLTT

First off thanks for the info!!

Can you clarify a little on the hose for the timing hole???

Can I just unscrew the plug on the bottom of the motor ??

I guess I'm looking for a few more details.

And thanks again, I already owe ya a beer!!!

 

[woodbutcher]

be super careful with the crankcase drain plug. use gas resistant pipe dope when re-installing and do not over-tighten. will strip/crossthread easily. might want to clean the carb real good also. pull the air filter and twist the throttle to see what kind of spray pattern you have going on. should be a nice even fan.

 

[FatDog]

be super careful with the crankcase drain plug. use gas resistant pipe dope when re-installing and do not over-tighten. will strip/crossthread easily. might want to clean the carb real good also. pull the air filter and twist the throttle to see what kind of spray pattern you have going on. should be a nice even fan.

When you twist the throttle I get a spray in the carb. The spark is good and it swings strong.

I've never had an issue but I know in the past I have always turned that damn petcock off!!!! I'm guessing this is how the problem has started.

 

[05chop]

Check your compression releases (center of valve cover)push them down see if they come back up. Like Sven says start out with two new spark plugs but I would remove plugs roll motor over see if it has compression.When motor is setting for a while(petcock on)
it could of washed the rings then gas drained to crankcase. Try blowing out cylinder with shop air could have a stuck needle and seat inside carb(gas fouled plugs tell the story) plus bad gas too. Poor mans compression tester shop air with regulated air piston at top dead then blow air into each cylinder then check for air coming out of exhuast or intake carb breather also.

 

[05chop]

Also jackup rear wheel to put piston at TDC then try poor man test.I dont like to crank engine with plugs out if there is alot of gas inside the cylinder and spark nearby.

 

[FatDog]

First off "Thank You" to everyone!! If everyon was closer it would be beers on me!!!

Good news, got her going!!!!

I did some more checking and pulled the crank case plug and found the following, and yes it smelled like gas!!!

I let it drain out good and pulled the plugs out as well and let her sit for a while. Threw a new set of plugs in her and she took right off!

Now, I'm guessing I should probably run it a bit and then drop the oil and change it out to make sure I got all the gas out?

But should I just drop the oil now or put a couple miles on before a complete change?

Thoughts on that?

At any rate, thank you again to everyone. I haven't been stopping by as much lately but all you guys have proven once again how great this site is!!

 

[FrankBDPS]

Drop the oil NOW! it could be thinned down with the gasoline if you had been cranking the engine over. Also drain the case again.

 

[FatDog]

Drop the oil NOW! it could be thinned down with the gasoline if you had been cranking the engine over. Also drain the case again.

Kinda what I thought.